Posted on 09/09/2009 10:05:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Cambrian rock layers contain fossils that represent almost every modern phylum of animal, plus many that are now extinct. One animal fossil in particular would win the weird prize, if there were one. Paleontologists have been piecing together this strange creature’s body parts, which look as though they were taken from an array of totally different sea animals. This variety of features eludes an evolutionary explanation.
The parts of this particular fossilized animal had previously been described separately and given different names, as though they belonged to different creatures. But a recent study revealed that all these parts came from just one “totally strange” sea creature...
(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...
Where do you buy your slaves? Does pi=3?
So? Answer the questions.
mm: “So when Jesus said that we must be born again, He really didn’t mean it? And how did you determine that Jesus didn’t mean what He said?”
There are a lot of Catholics who go by the name of born again Catholics. Does that mean they’re not Catholic? Or does it mean that Catholics who aren’t born again aren’t Christians?
If Catholic doctrine doesn’t teach the need to be born again, are the born again Catholics wrong? If it does teach the need to be born again, are the Catholics who don’t go by the term born again Catholic Christians?
Then likewise, you are referring to Evangelical Christians with disdain and contempt.
Tell me, is it acceptable for you to do what you are condemning in me? Why or why not?
Where? Which post?
[[Not up to my challenge from post # 98?]]
Golly- Could I sign up on a site dedicated to dissing, malinging and insulting Christians. Creationists, and ID proponents and discuss issues we’ve discussed MANY many times here on FR all over again with kids that can do nothign but hurl insults and present ASSUMPTIONS as though they’ve stunbled on some sort of ‘gotcha’ revelation? Golly Gee willikers- I can’t wait Ira-
I read down through that firast page and it’s nothign but an orgy of Creation-bashing and ASSUMPTIONS with NO hard evidence- Yep- that’s a mighty powerful discussion goign on there- Yawn!
And just for the record- the reason I previously quit discussing matters with you was because of your presenting the same kind of childish petty ‘coutner-arguments’ which hinged on nothign more than assumptions and vitriol agaisnt Creation as Fark site does-
Have a nice day
“If Catholic doctrine doesn’t teach the need to be born again, are the born again Catholics wrong?”
No.
“Then likewise, you are referring to Evangelical Christians with disdain and contempt.”
Nope. Just the militants who pass off rationalization as science.
Why not?
They aren’t following Catholic doctrine, are they, if they are doing something that the Catholic church does not teach?
If they are practicing non-Catholic doctrine, why aren’t they wrong?
So you lack the skills to prevail in a debate on that site?
You could not counter their assumptions, and lack of hard evidence?
Seems to me you lack the confidence to take your argument outside of this echo-chamber.
They are following Catholic doctrine, and a bit more. An unnecessary bit, but it’s no big deal.
Is God the same as the ID Intelligent Designer?
[[So you lack the skills to prevail in a debate on that site?]]
No- I rose ABOVE the lack of skills displayed o nthat site-
[[You could not counter their assumptions, and lack of hard evidence?]]
We’ve coutnered their silly assumptions MANY times here on FR- no need to wander into that swamp to repeat what’;s already been presented here on FR- but nice try at a topic derailment Ira- I guess thats’ abotu all you have left for ‘arguments’ these days?
have a nice day
Coldwater- You sir are another I refuse to play games with- go play your silly little games on Darwin Central from whence you slither
When I’ve heard the term ‘born again Catholic’ it wasn’t in reference to being born again in Christ. It was referring to someone returning to regular practice of the faith after a period of backsliding or faithlessness.
Me: Is God the same as the ID Intelligent Designer?
You: Coldwater- You sir are another I refuse to play games with- go play your silly little games on Darwin Central from whence you slither
Either God is or is not the Intelligent Designer. I believe he is. Why don’t you? Are you part of the ID movement that is trying to remove the word “God” from our culture?
Thanks for the clarification.
l list the catholic tradition first and then what the Bible has to say about the matter.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Forbidding the priesthood to marry.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -
1) It is devilish to forbid God’s people to marry when He has given marriage to be received with thanksgiving.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
2) Peter was married (remember the pope is supposedly continuing the apostolic line through Peter).
Matthew
8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever.
Mark
1:30 But Simon’s wife’s mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.
Luke
4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon’s house. And Simon’s wife’s mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
3) Paul, a great apostle, remained single; however he made it very clear that he could marry if he wanted to.
1 Corinthians
9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary never had other children after the Lord Jesus. A perpetual virgin.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary and Joseph indeed had children. They were the Lord’s half brothers and sisters for their father was Joseph and mother was Mary.
Matthew
13:55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.
Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the mother of God.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary is the mother of the earthly Jesus, not God. Jesus pre- existed from everlasting as God (see John 1:1). When He came to redeem mankind, He laid aside His glory and was made like unto sinful man so that He could take our punishment (Hebrew 2:9). God has no mother. He has lived from everlasting which means He had no beginning.
Isaiah
43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [If Mary gave birth to God, she’d be God.]
Psalm 93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
Micah
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler [Jesus] in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Philippians
2:6 Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Pope called Holy Father.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - The term Holy Father is only found one time in the entire Bible. It was when Jesus prayed before He and His disciples went to the garden of Gethsemane. He referred to God the Father as Holy Father. It is blasphemy to call a man by God’s name
John
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Purgatory, nuns, popes.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - None of these is mentioned in the Bible. It is a sin to add to the Bible.
Proverbs
30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar
The pope is a man who takes upon himself honor which belongs to no human being. Even the very name by which he allows himself to be called (Holy Father) is highly presumptuous and blasphemous (see above).
One does not need the pope to determine what God’s will is. The Bible says that God has given the Holy Ghost to each believer and that He (the Holy Ghost) guides and leads us into all truth. All a believer needs is the Bible and the Holy Ghost to know the will of the Lord. Popery has been treacherous, but worse, each pope has been the blind leading the blind. Jesus said that both will fall into the ditch. Catholics, come out of this system that cannot save and know Jesus for youself, intimate and up-close.
NOTE: Purgatory is supposedly a place where a person is purified of sins—even popes supposedly go there. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the one that purifies us of our sins. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.... When a person dies their eternal home is sealed—heaven or hell—no in between. Hebrews 9:27 ...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Venerating/worshipping images. Pope bows to statues of Mary, people worship the eucharist and have statues/candles in their homes and churches.
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - It is idolatry to venerate images. We are not even supposed to make them.
Exodus
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/cath.htm
You know my position o n the issue- I’ve stated it many times here on FR- Have fun looking- have a nice day
FR is, unfortunately, populated by a subculture of Catholic-hating sleaze. You are a bigot.
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