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Jesus the socialist?
One News Now ^ | 9/1/2009 | Peter Heck

Posted on 09/01/2009 9:56:55 AM PDT by IbJensen

At a recent Congressional town hall meeting I attended, I was astounded by the positions being taken by the outnumbered group of advocates for socializing American medicine.

The Founding Fathers – a group whose distrust and skepticism about the size and scope of the national government is epic – were surely doing back flips in their graves as seemingly intelligent Americans willfully stood up and championed the notion of handing over their healthcare to bureaucrats in Washington. Regardless of your political leanings, it was a chilling sight to see a group of citizens standing and applauding the loss of their own freedom.

But more bizarre than that was a sign that had been placed on a pro-ObamaCare table near the front of the stage. It simply read: "Jesus would vote yes."

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A listener to my radio show suggested to me that perhaps "Jesus" -- pronounced "Hay-Soos" in Spanish -- was referring to an illegal immigrant who would undoubtedly vote in favor of a plan guaranteed to further saddle American taxpayers with the burden of paying for those unwilling to obey the law.

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There are a couple initial observations that need to be made before we address the core, "Jesus as socialist" madness. First, for a movement so petrified by any perceived confluence of faith and politics, the left has kicked the Bible-banging into high gear recently.

Liberal talker Ed Schultz called socializing healthcare a "moral obligation" ...

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But even President Obama got into the act. Convening a group of ministers on a conference call, the president told them that his healthcare plans accomplish the "core moral and ethical obligation that we look out for one another...that I am my brother's keeper, my sister's keeper."

(Excerpt) Read more at onenewsnow.com ...


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To: Jeff Head

The epitome of a violation of the 3rd commandment -

do not misuse the Name of the Lord.


21 posted on 09/01/2009 10:46:07 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: IbJensen
For the record Jesus is a monarch.
22 posted on 09/01/2009 10:46:43 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Support, v., To take the side of; to uphold or help.For the record Jesus is a monarch.)
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To: IbJensen

“Liberal talker Ed Schultz called socializing healthcare a “moral obligation” ... “

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No Ed, Christ’s teaching centers on YOU personally helping the poor-out of your pocket and your time, but by YOUR own free will choice. Free will is a big part of this, you see.

The manadates of an envy-driven, class warfare socialist state in which your tithe to the poor is coerced literally at the point of a gun, is not, in the least, Christ-like.


23 posted on 09/01/2009 10:47:23 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Beelzebubba
Article on how envy is the core of leftist ideology.

Sermon by OneVike about Jesus and Socialism.

24 posted on 09/01/2009 10:48:07 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: 75thOVI
Would you vote for teddycare for a Scooby Snack? How about TWO Scooby Snacks? (Sadly, all they’re offering is a balony sandwich).

Too funny. For the record, I am a Christian and I am offended by the What would Jesus do crowd. Jesus did not tell us to have the Government take care of the poor and downtrodden. He told us to do it.

25 posted on 09/01/2009 10:48:22 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: IbJensen
""For the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the marketplace, and to them he said, 'You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.'

So they went. Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing. And he said to them, 'Why do you stand here idle all day?' They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' He said to them, 'You go into the vineyard too.' And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.' And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. Now when those hired first came, they thought they would receive more, but each of them also received a denarius. And on receiving it they grumbled at the master of the house, saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.'

But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?'"

(Matthew 20:1-15 ESV)

26 posted on 09/01/2009 10:49:48 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

You stealin’ my posts again?

8th commandment... :)


27 posted on 09/01/2009 10:50:37 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: EyeGuy

Socialism in no way satisfies the Christian requirement to help the needy.

For those advocating it without their own skin in the game, it does nothing, for they have desire without substance.

For those being forced to “help”, their “contribution” counts for naught because they aren’t doing it of their own choice.

2 Corinthians 9:7 (New International Version)
7Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


28 posted on 09/01/2009 10:53:38 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: BenLurkin
It simply read: "Jesus would vote yes.

Jesus doesn't vote. Jesus commands.

29 posted on 09/01/2009 10:54:13 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Support, v., To take the side of; to uphold or help.For the record Jesus is a monarch.)
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To: MrB

Yes.

That’s what I have always understood.

Thanks for the scripture citation.


30 posted on 09/01/2009 11:00:38 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: MrB

Spot on, Mr. B. Anyone who has absolutely no desire to commune with Christ, yet uses his name to further their agenda, is taking The Lord’s name in vain.


31 posted on 09/01/2009 11:38:33 AM PDT by ScoochDude
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To: MrB

And from what I read, God doesn’t forget things like that.


32 posted on 09/01/2009 11:39:22 AM PDT by ScoochDude
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To: MrB
Article on how envy is the core of leftist ideology.

MrB: that is the best sermon about leftism I have ever read. Thanks for posting it! It should be required reading by everyone on Earth.

33 posted on 09/01/2009 11:40:03 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
required reading by everyone on Earth

Seriously, this is what I thought too.
I've been spamming every thread with it where it is tangentially related.

34 posted on 09/01/2009 11:43:49 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Huskrrrr

You packed a lot of truth in 4 words...


35 posted on 09/01/2009 11:47:53 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

how about these ...

would would would

as in, IF He were here, or IF He were watching...

they automatically assume neither, and yet try to skewer us with it.

comedy, and tragedy, for one high price!


36 posted on 09/01/2009 11:56:46 AM PDT by wayne_b24 (every day in the Light is a good day ... John 8:12 & 14:6; Psalm 119:105; Joshua 24:15)
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To: armymarinemom

Just for the record, so am I. And, so I am.


37 posted on 09/01/2009 12:37:14 PM PDT by 75thOVI ("The crews of all submarines captured should be treated as pirates and hanged". Sir Arthur Wilson)
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To: IbJensen

Jesus was in many ways one of the first “liberal Jews” due to his departure from legalistic Judaism (ie the primacy of the law) and was definitely left-of-center within his historical contexts. I wouldn’t exactly consider him an exponent of “scientific socialism” (a product of the industrialization that would occur some 1,800 years later), but the early apostles were definitely proto-Kibbutzniks.


38 posted on 09/01/2009 12:40:22 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: All

In socialism, we have an attempt by the government to replace what God’s people are commanded to do. It’s just an attempt by Satan to counterfeit the role of the church. Show me any socialistic country where Christianity is vibrant. I’ve never found any. It squeezes out the Christian faith by taking resources from the individual (which might have gone to charity, etc.) and replaces it with a huge “benevolent” government.


39 posted on 09/01/2009 1:12:07 PM PDT by betsyross60
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To: BenLurkin

Our Lord acknowledged that we are to pay our taxes


I take “render unto Ceasar” to mean essentially: “We’re not government.”


40 posted on 09/01/2009 1:29:17 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Socialism: The sin of envy, masquerading as a political movement.)
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