Posted on 08/18/2009 6:38:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Additional documents uncovered by WND support a previous report that President Obama's parents did not live together as husband and wife at the Honolulu address listed in birth announcements in two local newspapers.
Both newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, carried the announcement that Barack Obama Jr. was born Aug. 4, 1961, to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, residing at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Additional research has established that the grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, lived at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, not Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham.
Moreover, Mr. and Mrs. Obama apparently did not live together after their marriage, with Dunham evidently remaining in the rented 6085 Kalanianaole Highway house.
Barack Obama Sr. lived alone at an 11th Avenue address in Honolulu, closer to the university. Dunham left Hawaii for Seattle in August 1961, the month of Barack Obama Jr.'s birth, to study at the University of Washington.
WND can find no listing in the Polk directories to document Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. ever living at the same address.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Haven't got a clue. The version they have posted clips from looks more or less like a telephone directory, but with all occupants named, not just the "head of household. But they also have occupation and place of employement. I guess all that could be garnered from various public records.
I'll bet you have similar directories in Oz as well.
hmmm...and guess who else arrived in Hawaii in 1959? Perhaps those missing Obama Sr years...have something to do with Buffalo?
http://www.buffaloah.com/h/niag.html
Excerpt:
Dubbed the ìNiagara Movementî because of its place of origin, the group was composed of 59 leading African American intellectuals, writers, newspapermen and activists, 29 of whom attended the organizational meeting in Buffalo.
The moving spirit of the group was W. E. B. Du Bois. Du Bois (1868-1963), the first African American to earn a Ph.D. from Harvard, was a professor at Atlanta University and the leading black intellectual of his time...
Incredible! The Niagara Movement was the fore-runner of the NAACP.
The only thing I can think of is what we call the Electoral Roll - but that's not freely available. Other than that, there are the standard telephone directories and Street Directories. When you say "I guess all that could be garnered from various public records" the only 'public record' I can think of that might provide all that information would be from a Census...and in Australia information from a Census is not made public.
GMTA!
Poor Madelyn, struggling with her walking aid up and down the decks on a cruise...it must have been so very difficult for her...and she was all on her own you know...
I said various. Most of those things you list are also not public NOW in the US, but most were public in 1961. Even birth certificates, marriage license, death certificates and so forth. Driver's license applications used to be a favorite source for such information, as well as automobilie registration/tax records. Even the property tax and welfare rolls were public information, although one might have to go down to the county courthouse to transcribe it, since unlike with the birth records, they did not send any lists to the newspapers in many of these cases. The county is a subdivision of a state, complete with it's own government bodies, road maintenance department, property tax collectors/assessors, etc much of the everyday business of government was and is conducted at the county level, even car license plates (proof you've paid the tax!) are issued by counties in most states) Also its own law enforcement, the county sheriff, and his deputies. Unlike city, state and federal law enforcement, the sheriff is usually an elective office.
Since they had Stanley Ann by the last name of Obama, not Dunham, whatever form or list they got that from must have been generated after her marriage, or at least after she started using S.A. Obama as her name. That would seem to put the time between Feb, 61 when the marriage is said to have taken place, somewhere, and Aug. of '61 when she left for Washington. They might have even gotten the information from the birth certificate! That would have shown "mother's address" and "occupation".
I vaguely remember political battles back in the 70s and later, about whether all of that information should be public record, Most of it no longer is.
I think that might be a bit of a stretch...
Lots of analysis but wait till September 15th when the newly appointed Obama lawyer appears in Federal Judge Carter’s Santa Ana court - as ordered - in response to Orly Taitz’s lawsuit.
At that point we will know the direction the matter takes and also if Judge Carter signs a court order to allow and assist Orly in her quest for documents and effort to validate the Kenya birth certificate.
Meanwhile Orly has appealed the Major ....(mind went blank), who refused to go to Afghanistan case in Georgia and is working on that and on behalf of around 50 military clients she has who are aslo suing to establish Obama’s eligibility.
Hang in there, matters seem to be coming to a head.
Worldnet now shows that there is good evidence that the Dunhams lived in the address listed in the birth announcement in the newspapers.
They had steady jobs and steady family size.
(((hugs)))
Joshua DuBois, head of the White House Office for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. While I don’t see a relationship, it is interesting. Neighborhood Partnerships sounds a lot like community organizing.
The US Census is not released until after 70 years. I haven’t a clue about the Polk. I recall there used to be city directories that had listings similar to it. Perhaps Polk just recopied those?
I've asked that, too. We need an active and interested FRiend over there to track this stuff down. I think that's the problem. It IS Hawaii and despite the internet, there is still tons of info that has to be hand searched.
from polk- probably the same way you see stuff from Intellius.
Our consumer information:
We scrutinize and catalog 4,300 telephone directories.
Data specialists examine each listing and enhance it with buying habit
and lifestyle information from real estate transactions, product
registrations, magazine subscriptions, and survey responses.
Every month, we match and clean the data with the USPS National
Change of Address (NCOA), ZIP+4 and Delivery Sequence File to
standardize and keep the addresses accurate.
Our business information:
We scrutinize and catalog 5,200 phone books, annual reports and other
business directories to find information on nearly every business in the
nation.
We hand-key each record and call every business to make sure you have
the most reliable information available.
Next, we add public record data from county courthouse filings, SEC and
10k filing, and Secretary of State data.
Every month, we match and clean the data with the USPS National
Change of Address (NCOA), ZIP+4 and Delivery Sequence File to
standardize and keep the addresses accurate.
I never bought the “birth announcements come from the Health Dept.” line. My family owned newspapers in those days and birth announcements came mainly from the family. The timeframe from the hospital to the health dept. to the newspaper just doesn’t work. There was a process that took time - first the hospital had to get it’s records together, then they would send over the births to the county courthouse, then the county clerk would have to register and file them, then the county would send the records over to the state health department, then the state health department would have to register and file them. Tell me, with manually filing everything and sending everything snail mail, how in the world could the health department could have notified the newspaper in time for the announcement to be published in the Aug. 13 edition?
Keep in mind that newspapers didn’t use computers but linotype machines. There was no cut and paste. Everything had to be typed in so information had to be in the reporters hands with plenty of lead time. The Aug. 13th edition had to be completed by the 12th to allow time for it to be printed. So, the earliest the hospital clerk could do her work would be Aug. 5th and the latest it could have gotten to the newspaper would be the 12th. That’s at the max 8 days. I’ve worked in a county clerk’s office and filed births and I can tell you that would entail some dedicated workers for the turn around to be complete in that time.
The Nordyke twins’ bc was stamped Aug. 11th and their number is before Hussein’s COLB. FYI, everything was stamped with the date it arrived in our office. That stamped date wasn’t the date it was finally filed. So again, it’s highly doubtful the announcement came from the health dept.
Notice the 5-5-1966 date at the bottom of the Nordykes’ copies. Perfect timing before school closed for the summer to have registered for the next year’s kindergarten class.
I’m sure you’ve seen this, but the plot thickens.
One of the simplest things he doesn’t want to reveal is , to me most likely, that his birth is out of wedlock and he has been lying all his life about who his father is and needs to keep that up.
After that, is his school records. Why the demands for Bush’s dental records from the national guard but no outcry for Obama’s records of any kinds from the media?
“And who did they send the flowers to? Nobody knew Mrs and Mrs Obama, they were not living together...”
Nobody knew anything, period. This from Sr.’s UH college friends who wrote of their memories of him after the ‘08 election: “We all converged on Honolulu a month after he was born there (no, not in a manger!) and knew—well or in passing—his father, though most of us then had no idea there was a baby.”
Could someone with more computer savy than I make a screen copy of these letters before it disappears?
http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
