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Wis. jury: Father guilty in prayer death case
AP ^ | 080109 | ROBERT IMRIE

Posted on 08/01/2009 8:34:48 PM PDT by Artemis Webb

WAUSAU, Wis. – A central Wisconsin man accused of killing his 11-year-old daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care was found guilty Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.

Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing.

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Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, testified Thursday that he believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.

"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: diabetes; faithhealing
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To: going hot

You are an island of sanity in a thread gone mad. :)


81 posted on 08/01/2009 11:01:20 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Artemis Webb; RobRoy
he believed God commanded him to make a human sacrifice of his daughter ...

In the Bible, there is the story of Jalpeth's daughter, which is exactly that sort of case.

82 posted on 08/01/2009 11:05:47 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: RobRoy
I really do not know if I am a b/w or greyish sort of thinker. I do have a strong feeling for what is right and what is wrong. Praying to God to heal your daughter is right. I do that every time my daughter needs medical attention.

Watching her suffer and die over weeks as this "father" did, to prove his loyalty and religious beliefs (per the story) is wrong.

here is no room for academics or shades of grey there.

83 posted on 08/01/2009 11:09:15 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: Artemis Webb; RobRoy

Sorry, I mean Jephthah.


84 posted on 08/01/2009 11:10:23 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: going hot

>>here is no room for academics or shades of grey there.<<

I agree with that. There is, however, a great deal of room for it here.

I would have a VERY hard time watching her get worse and worse and not do anything. Some would say that is common sense. Others would say it is a lack of faith. There were times when Israel gave up on God as things looked hopeless, much to their loss. It really is possible that such things were actually on the father’s mind. But I honestly don’t know.


85 posted on 08/01/2009 11:17:51 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: going hot
over weeks

Where does it say that? I reread it looking for some time line - did I miss it?
86 posted on 08/01/2009 11:22:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RobRoy
From link
When her parents began to notice minor symptoms about two days prior, there was no belief that there was an existing serious medical condition.

Petition for disbarring the judge in this case.

http://www.petitiononline.com/cvb456hy/petition.html


87 posted on 08/01/2009 11:28:33 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

I have yet to see a diabetic, type one or type two, suddenly, out of the clear blue, keel over comatose on the floor, with no prior inkling or clinical signs of their blood sugar being in the stratosphere, and their energy being zilch, while they drink like a fish and pee like a racehorse, until they become acidotic, dehydrated and unconscious, on the living room floor, while both parents look on, as well as friends and neighbors. It may not have been years, but it wasn’t, “suddnely, we noticed that she didn’t look so good.”


88 posted on 08/01/2009 11:31:21 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: presently no screen name

Yeah, about that “line” I was talking about.


89 posted on 08/01/2009 11:39:47 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Gee, that’s nice. Nothing like personal attacks when you don’t agree with him. Cheez.


90 posted on 08/01/2009 11:57:42 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Next the liberals will try to remove prayer from people’s homes because it’s a deadly weapon. Well, against the devil it IS.


91 posted on 08/01/2009 11:58:48 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: going hot
Don't know anything about diabetes. Just read that When her parents began to notice minor symptoms about two days prior, there was no belief that there was an existing serious medical condition.

They don't mention anything about an autopsy but I'll assume she had one to find out what was wrong and then found the diabetes.
92 posted on 08/01/2009 11:59:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RobRoy

If I’d been in that situation, I would have called an ambulance and then prayed over her, but that wouldn’t mean faith. Logic perhaps.


93 posted on 08/02/2009 12:00:21 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Marysecretary

I’m sorry Mary. But if a nut is a nut I’m going to call it that. I’m not going to call a nut a pineapple.


94 posted on 08/02/2009 12:01:44 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: presently no screen name

I pray that as well. Christians will have to trust in God for healing. I’m not taking any computer chip into my body (which at some time will be required) just so I can have health care. If I die, I’m not afraid because I’ll be with HIM.


95 posted on 08/02/2009 12:04:46 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I believe that too.


96 posted on 08/02/2009 12:07:49 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Don’t be so sure. This is going to be LAW and we won’t have much to do about changing it. This is going through. We can’t stop it. God help us all, and buy your supplements in bulk while you can.


97 posted on 08/02/2009 12:11:28 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: presently no screen name
Perhaps you should take a few seconds and google or bing diabetes, type 1 or 2, and check out some of the clinical signs. then consider how advanced it would have to be for a patient to literally lie on the floor, unable to get up, blind, cannot talk, too weak to drink or eat.

Then ask yourself if a diabetic would go from normal to that condition in 48 hours without any inkling of abnormalcy prior to that time.

The jury did not believe it, and they are not even medical personal.

98 posted on 08/02/2009 12:15:58 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: BlackVeil

God didn’t command Jephthah to do that. He did it on his own.


99 posted on 08/02/2009 12:23:03 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Marysecretary
"Don’t be so sure. This is going to be LAW and we won’t have much to do about changing it. This is going through. We can’t stop it. God help us all, and buy your supplements in bulk while you can."

I'll bet there are a lot of old Y2K nuts from FR...
I'll bet there are a lot of old FEMA is taking over nuts from FR who would sell you their packages of dehydrated beans.

100 posted on 08/02/2009 12:31:20 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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