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JAMES TARANTO: It's certifiable: the last word on Obama's place of birth
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 30, 2009 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 07/30/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by curiosity

Several readers have written over the past few days taking us to task for dismissing so-called birthers as lunatics without bothering to refute their claims. We reluctantly concede their point. The birthers have managed to sow confusion in the minds of some who are not lunatics, and for the latter group’s benefit it is worth clarifying matters.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: afterbirthers; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; kenya; kenyan; muslim; notanamerican; obama; obotsfreakout; rinoromney; romney; romney4obama; romneybot4obama; taranto
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To: curiosity
-- You'll just say the long form he shows is a fake, and you'll double down on the argument that he can't be a natural born citizen because is father wasn't a citizen. --

I was agnostic on the issue, except to speculate that Congress wouldn't challenge any electoral vote. First time I gave any serious thought to the legalities was yesterday. Put me in the camp that finds "natural born citizenship" to follow parentage. The founders were keen on protecting the presidency, a particularly powerful position on the world stage, from those who might be raised to have any allegiance other than to the United States.

To equate "natural born citizenship" with "born in America" would make every anchor-baby, etc. into a natural born citizen, even if the parents are foreigners who detest the United States.

41 posted on 07/30/2009 5:25:15 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: curiosity

So you know what others will think/conclude.

You give yourself far to much credit.


42 posted on 07/30/2009 5:25:53 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: curiosity

Well..., I can see that that conservative in the press are turning on the birthers, along with the GOP leaders and other well-known conservatives.

Heck! Even Ann Coulter won’t talk about it. And you know that Vice President Cheney never did talk about it. Forget President George Bush. And McCain, nope..., he looked into it and said there was nothing there for his campaign to deal with. And Sarah Palin — nope... she’s staying far away from it.

How about Liz Cheney..., nope, not her either. Ummm..., maybe Chairman Steele (you know GOP...)... no way, Jose... he going nowhere near it... LOL...

After the State of Hawaii said that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen — all the responsible people in the conservative/GOP arena are *headed for the exits* on the birth certificate issue... LOL...


43 posted on 07/30/2009 5:26:18 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: curiosity; Munz

The WSJ quotes the State Department as it if were the Law of the Land, and not the U. S. Constitution!


44 posted on 07/30/2009 5:26:18 PM PDT by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: curiosity
What would you have him do? Mail a hard copy to you personally?

No. I would have him waive his right to Hawaiian privacy and allow the Hawaiian authorities to sell certified copies to anyone who wants one.

How does that grab you, Pal?

ML/NJ

45 posted on 07/30/2009 5:26:19 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: curiosity
How can even these (WSJ) mouth-breathing imbeciles call us deceptive when all we "birthers" have done is ask for as-yet undisclosed proof (an officially stamped and sealed long-form, vault copy of Obonehead's actual birth certificate with his baby footprint and the name of the attending physician on it).

How is demanding to see that proof of his citizenship "deceitful" of us?

This need by the Media to portray us negatively says more about the gravity of the matter than does even Obama's reluctance to produce the document (which speaks volumes on its own).

If there were nothing for them (Zer0bama and his rump-suck Media ass-puppets) to hide, why attack us for demanding that our President follow the same rules that we all are expected to live by? The incessant vitriol of their response tells us everything we need to know. If their little shell game weren't threatened by such simple requests, they would have no need to demonize us thus.

The filthy, lying scumtards. Their comeuppance will be a beautiful thing to watch, and it's a snowball rolling down the mountain as they scream and flap like penguins 'way over on the wet side of the bed.'

;-/

46 posted on 07/30/2009 5:26:33 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people..." John Adams)
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To: curiosity

Time will prove one of us right. Either he is hiding something significant about his birth circumstances or he is not. It is that simple.

But it is inarguable that he has not released his original BC.

It is inarguable that no official has claimed his COLB matches his original BC.

It is inarguable that Obama has been on a downward slide in the polls and his power to persuade has eroded - at the VERY same time that Certifigate has hit the MSM.

So feel sad for some poor sap who needs it.


47 posted on 07/30/2009 5:26:40 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: El Sordo
El Sordo,

Wasn't sure from your answer if you are pro-Birther or anti-Birther.

My first take was that you said it was pointless to try to refute Taranto because Taranto “wanted to believe” that the anti-Birther message was true.

On second reading, I think you are saying that you agree with the anti-Birthers.

I spotted three factual errors in Taranto’s essay during my first, fast read through.

Glad to share them with you...or is refutation pointless?

48 posted on 07/30/2009 5:27:20 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: SoConPubbie

You said — Show the Long-form of the Birth-Certificate and the issue goes away.

Well, from Obama’s perspective, why should he? I mean, if he was to show it, you wouldn’t vote for him. So, it makes no difference in terms of votes for him to do it... :-)


49 posted on 07/30/2009 5:27:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: mkjessup

Getting born in America to am American mother tends to do that for a person.


50 posted on 07/30/2009 5:28:05 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: curiosity
Actually, it's helping him...

Is that why his poll numbers are tanking?
51 posted on 07/30/2009 5:28:15 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: curiosity

You said — I know. I’m just posting it here so that the world sees not all Freepers are fruitcakes.

Whew! Glad you did that. I was beginning to wonder...


52 posted on 07/30/2009 5:28:22 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: SoConPubbie
There should be no reason NOT to show the ACTUAL Birth-Certificate.

I guess it's OK to spend a small fortune on lawyers who help hide Obama's past documents. If he's an American citizen what's the problem? It's OK to believe Obama who lies everyday to you. The media lies to you everyday about the issue by not reporting this accurately, but I'm sure that's OK with you too.

53 posted on 07/30/2009 5:28:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SpaceBar
Is that why his poll numbers are tanking?

His poll numbers are taking because opposition to his healthcare plan is rising, and the porkulous package he signed into law isn't helping the economy.

Don't you think it's a strange coincidence that the MSM is suddenly paying so much more attention to the birthers now that their messiah is polling poorly?

54 posted on 07/30/2009 5:29:52 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Did you find this article at DU?


55 posted on 07/30/2009 5:31:46 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: El Sordo

You said — The president would gain nothing politically for his trouble.

You’re right...

I had to laugh at another FReeper who had an open letter to Obama that he posted here on a FReeper thread.

One of his points in the letter was that if Obama didn’t release his birth certificate in order to clear up this mess of confusion about his birth, then Obama could not expect to have his vote in 2012.

I almost died laughing. I mean, I don’t think Obama is that dumb... LOL...

So, a guy that didn’t vote for Obama, says that unless Obama releases his birth certificate he’s not going to vote for him in 2012 — and Obama is supposed to think that if he does release it, this guy *is* going to vote for him in 2012? :-)

That’s the kind of “thinking” that passes for logic sometimes...


56 posted on 07/30/2009 5:33:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Bingo.

It’s Taranto’s opinion that the burden’s been met, but there are professors of political science that would disagree. Black, female ones at that.

COLB doesn’t prove he was born in the US. The long form would.

I’d like to play poker with Taranto. I’ll just tell him I’ve got a flush and he’ll just give it to me.

Trust, but verify, I say.


57 posted on 07/30/2009 5:33:46 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: curiosity
Don't you think it's a strange coincidence that the MSM is suddenly paying so much more attention to the birthers now that their messiah is polling poorly?

And they are turning on the full court press to vilify anyone who asks a very simple question.

Where is the original, and what citizenship did you claim in college.

Simple question. Vilify all you want, but its still a very simple question.

58 posted on 07/30/2009 5:34:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
OK. I have no problem giving you the benefit of the doubt that if the long form BC gets released that will settle the matter for you personally.

What I ask is that you keep an eye on the rest of the crowd.

A rather sizable portion are simply not intellectually honest with themselves and will indeed either declare it a forgery or just move on to their next talking point.

For many, they've already arrived where they want to be. Any evidence refuting this must therefore be false. Anyone presenting such evidence must therefore be malicious, stupid, or on the enemy's payroll.

You probably recognized it with the 9/11 truther movement. You'll see it again here.

There's a few names in this that are gonna go the way of DITHF and ClassyGreenEyedBlonde. Mark my words.

59 posted on 07/30/2009 5:35:47 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: curiosity

“he can’t be a natural born citizen because is father wasn’t a citizen. “

This is a no-brainer.


60 posted on 07/30/2009 5:36:18 PM PDT by Lower55
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