State declares Obama birth certificate real, again

Wash Post ^ | 7/27/09 | staff

[pissant]

HONOLULU -- State officials again are confirming that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Monday she has seen the original birth records that verify Obama was born in Hawaii, and is a "natural-born American citizen."

Fukino made the announcement in hopes of ending any lingering rumors about Obama's citizenship. She issued a similar press release Oct. 31.

[NorwegianViking]

Wish I knew.

[DJ MacWoW]

He may well be a citizen Mr Troll but he is not natural born with a Kenyan father.

if, using your logic, that he cannot be president because his parents are not of the same nationality, then that would mean that despite my parents being born here and I was born on US soil, I cannot run for President because my father is of Irish decent and my mother is of German descent, correct?

Didn't understand what you read, did you? Oh and McCain had TWO American parents. Read again what I posted.

Clueless, thy name is DJ MacWow.

You can't even come up with anything original noob. *sniff sniff* There's that odor.

[El Gato]

Dr Janice Okubo.

Okubo isnot a doctor. She's the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. The head of the department is Chiyome Fukino, M.D. She is the one who just violated Hawaii law by divulging the contents of Obama's Original"vital records" (Her words, she did not say "birth certificate", "certificate of live birth", or "certification of live birth". So one is left to wonder just what is was she saw. Although technically only the Certificate of Live Birth (aka long form birth certificate) is an "original" document.

[El Gato]

Someone just needs to make a call to the good doctor and ask the question personally. Did you in fact make the statement to the AP and give information to them regarding the birthplace of President Obama? If so, please repeat as closely as you can what you said to the anonymous AP reporter.

Her statement is on line, as a pdf file, at the Hawaii Department of Health website. She wrote/said:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

[El Gato]

Lying. If both parents must be American it’s impossible Obama’s “natural born.”

Perhaps BHO Sr is not listed as the father on the BC? But if that is the case, Obama and his campaign are guilty of forging an official docment, and committing a provable fraud upon the American people.

[El Gato]

It will be hard to convince anyone (and especially a judge) when the State of Hawaii has made their official announcement..

Judges don't usually accept press releases as evidence. They want testimony and/or certified documentation.

The problem remains getting a judge to ask for or look at, evidence.

[Star Traveler]

The comparison that I was giving was the judge hearing from “granny” and the judge hearing from the State of Hawaii... hence, my statement...

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I can hear it now... “But judge, the granny said....” ... LOL...

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[Carling]

three of them have been released.

What? A faked COLB and two mystery long-form BCs we haven't seen? I didn't bother to read the rest of your post, because the first sentence was an outright lie. BTW, only one birth certificate needs to be released, not three. Three? LOL at you, and welcome to FreeRepublic!!

[El Gato]

I wonder if she knows the requirements for a natural born citizen circa 1961

Those have not changed since The Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. That's the day the Constitution was signed and passed by the Constitutional convention.

But if you prefer the ratification date that was: The Twenty first Day of June in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty eight and of the Independence of the United States of America the Thirteenth.

There having been no amendments changing the defintion, it means what it meant when written, adopted and ratified in 1787-1788.

It also includes was his mother able to confer citizenship at that time. Was he adopted before age of 5? Did he have Indonesian citizenship? All can change his status. It is not simply was he born in Hawaii, but all the circumstances combined that make the decision on natural born citizenship.

Actually none of those matter, IF he was born in Hawaii, for his status as a Natural born citizen. The nationality of his father OTOH, may matter a lot. But that is a subject for courts, not medical bureaucrats.

[El Gato]

Was his mother able to confer citizenship even if he were born in Hawaii? The law at that time said she could not!!!! The law had very specific requirements in 1961. Even his birth in Hawaii would not have confered natural born citizenship.

The law, that is statute law, cannot change the requirements for natural born citizenship, they are what they are, short of a Constitutional amendment, they cannot be changed.

What you are thinking of is the requirement for person born outside the United States of one citizen and one non citizen parent to be a citizen at birth, but since the Congress made those laws, and changes them from time to time, once since Obama's birth (changes bearing on this matter that is). But again, those only apply to children born outside the territory of the US.

[DavidFarrar]

The pdf statement isn’t signed or notarized. Anybody could have made that statement. More importantly, should the need arise in the future, Dr. Chiyome Fukino could refute the statement without her signature and notarization.

ex animo
davidfarrar

[El Gato]

the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

It was, and is after the 14th birthday. But that rule only applies to children born outside the US. The requirement was changed to 5 years and 2 years in 1986, a bit late to help Obama, if had been born outside the us.

[El Gato]

In that era they would have used the term “white”.

Not on birth certificates, there have been lots of early '60s BCs posted here, they all use Caucasian. What is in disput is that they also would not have used "African" but rather Negroid or Negro. The third choice would have been "Mongoloid"

[Girlene]

Prove me wrong, good sir. Prove to me that Obama being born in a US state bars him from the presidency. Prove to me that this isn’t anything more than some of us not accepting a black man as president. Prove to me that this isn’t because of a non-christian isn’t president.

Dude, prove to me that you're not an idiot or a troll.

You can't. I'm being a little facetious. :-) I'm making a point that you can't try to get someone to disprove something that you believe, or feel.....that the motive of the "birthers" is because O is black and/or non-Chritian.

You are using flawed logic in this case with your demands. I can say, prove to me that he is eligible. You can't. You can only say it has not been proven that he is ineligible to be President according to how the Constitution has been interpreted thus far.

There have been varied arguments presented on the issue of "Natural Born Citizen" part of the Constitution that you may or may not agree with. The Supreme Court has never made a determination on whether those arguments hold any water. To bring up the fact that O is black or "non-Christian" is to muddy the waters with you're own preconception of the reasoning behind these arguments.

[BonRad]

Thanks much- yes fantastic article. Thanks again.
A breathless work!

Just made into a thread but Mods have come in 2 say too much paste-in from Newsmax / Wash Times but I think u can still comment

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303258/posts

[potlatch]

Eyecatching!!

[DJ MacWoW]

you didn’t explain to me

Because I don't spin my wheels explaining to someone that doesn't understand.

Good night.

[rolling_stone]

Self Explanatory

http://www.vikingkittens.com/

[El Gato]

Those who refuse to accept this should examine their commitment to the concept of state sovereignty. It is the official position of the government of the State of Hawaii that Barack Obama was born there. Think about the implications of the federal government being able to challenge states on this matter.

It's the official position of the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii. Try getting taking in a press release the next time you need to present your birth certificate. Long or short form. Won't matter if it's from the state you live in now, or a different one. If an employer can ask for a copy, and the federal government as an employer not only can, they do. A federal judge can ask for a copy, she could even order one produced, that is allowed by Hawaiian law as long as the court is one of competent jurisdiction. There is no federalism issue here.