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To: wbones8765
I wonder if she knows the requirements for a natural born citizen circa 1961

Those have not changed since The Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. That's the day the Constitution was signed and passed by the Constitutional convention.

But if you prefer the ratification date that was: The Twenty first Day of June in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty eight and of the Independence of the United States of America the Thirteenth.

There having been no amendments changing the defintion, it means what it meant when written, adopted and ratified in 1787-1788.

It also includes was his mother able to confer citizenship at that time. Was he adopted before age of 5? Did he have Indonesian citizenship? All can change his status. It is not simply was he born in Hawaii, but all the circumstances combined that make the decision on natural born citizenship.

Actually none of those matter, IF he was born in Hawaii, for his status as a Natural born citizen. The nationality of his father OTOH, may matter a lot. But that is a subject for courts, not medical bureaucrats.

569 posted on 07/28/2009 7:49:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

“I wonder if she knows the requirements for a natural born citizen circa 1961”

“Those have not changed since The Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. That’s the day the Constitution was signed and passed by the Constitutional convention. “

You should know better. laws concerning how citizenship at birth is acquired have changed by US Statute and by Constitutional Amendment over the years, most notably by the 14th Amendment ‘birthright citizenship’ clause.

“There having been no amendments changing the defintion” - NB that the Constitution does not *define* “natural-born citizen” within the Constitution itself in the first place. You are not using Constitutional definitions but old English common law. Big diff.

It is certainly legally erroneous to use old English common law definitions of who is ‘natural-born’ and imagine that holds forever instead of the US statutory law and US Constitution definitions for birthright (natural-born) citizenship. US law and US Constitution always trumps common law, common law merely instructs as to the meaning and source of US statutory law.

14th amendment:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”


590 posted on 07/28/2009 8:51:46 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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