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T. Rex Teeth Take a Bite Out of Evolution
ICR ^ | July 17, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 07/17/2009 9:28:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

A set of fossilized Tyrannosaurus rex teeth was found in a rock layer that it had no business being in, according to evolutionary interpretations. Discovered in Hyogo, Japan, the teeth came from a 15-foot-tall dinosaur entombed in early Cretaceous rock, supposedly deposited 140 million years ago.

The problem is that T. rex dinosaurs of this large size are not supposed to have evolved until about 30 million years later. Thus, what is “known” about dinosaurs must undergo drastic revision.[1] Haruo Saegusa, a curator at the Museum of Nature and Human Activities, recently told JapanToday, ‘‘If the dinosaur belongs to the same era of the strata [early Cretaceous], the tyrannosaurus could have started to grow larger much earlier than previously thought.’’[2] The thought seems to be that merely adjusting evolutionary development backward will be enough to make the fossil fit the strata.

But the very concept of strata representing “eras” does not come from the strata themselves. That concept began with eighteenth-century French naturalist Georges Cuvier, and it has been in vogue ever since, despite the fact that it causes more problems for interpreting rock strata than it solves, and stands in stark contrast to scriptural history. Young-earth creation geologists have long held that most sedimentary strata—including the Cretaceous layer in which these teeth were found—resulted from waterborne deposits during Noah’s Flood that may harbor fossils from a particular local environment, but do not represent a particular “era.”

The assignment of a certain number of “millions of years” to a rock formation does not derive from the strata either. It is another assumption that is used to prescribe what constitutes “valid” interpretations.

Radioisotope dating is used to bolster the vast time spans ascribed to the geologic record. However, geologist John Woodmorappe cogently revealed that the radio dates are actually hand-picked to coincide with the dates already assigned from the geologic column diagram. ICR’s RATE research also conclusively demonstrated with independent lines of evidence that radioactive decay rates, widely used to bolster deep time, were dramatically accelerated in the past.[4]

Many other natural processes—like the recession rate of the moon, the decay of earth’s magnetic field, or the diffusion of helium from zircon crystals in granite—can be used, along with some basic assumptions, to measure the age of the earth, but these methods give maximum dates that are incompatible with evolutionary time spans.

Thus, the nineteenth-century strata/age/era correlation is in serious trouble. However, an oversized T. rex found in the “wrong age” and the “wrong time” doesn’t surprise creation scientists. If the rock that these T. rex fossil teeth was found in was indeed deposited during the year-long Noahic Flood, then it is easy to explain why a large dinosaur is found mixed in with smaller ones.

There never was an “era of smaller T-rex dinosaurs,” but there was an unimaginably massive Flood that wiped out whole environments, layering and sorting sediments and fossilizing the creatures buried therein.

References (for ref. links, go to original--GGG)

1. For recent examples of drastic evolutionary revisions, see Sherwin, F. The Devastating Issue of Dinosaur Tissue. ICR News. Posted on icr.org June 1, 2005, accessed June 25, 2009; Thomas, B. Data Derails Dinosaur Dominance Idea. ICR News. Posted on icr.org September 18, 2008, accessed June 25, 2009; Thomas, B. Dinosaur Fossil Erases 40 Million Years. ICR News. Posted on icr.org June 23, 2008, accessed June 25, 2009. 2. Teeth of tyrannosaurus ancestor dating back 140 mil years found in Hyogo. JapanToday. Posted on japantoday.com June 20, 2009, accessed June 24, 2009. 3. Woodmorappe, J. 1999. The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods. El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, 27-49. 4. Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE). Posted on icr.org.

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.


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To: Natural Law
"In fact, science estimates mankind has less than 1% of all knowledge."

That's hillariously arrogant. Seriously, the implications of this statement are astounding.
First off, what is "ALL KNOWLEDGE"?
And how can we "estimate" that we have 1% of it?

And what is 1% of infinity? IE, who can know the mind of God?

101 posted on 07/17/2009 11:33:41 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Bobkk47
"So the consensus seems to be that this is not specifically T-Rex but likely an ancestor of T-Rex"

Even though it is in every way a T-Rex by appearance.

And they wonder why most people laugh at their pronouncements!

102 posted on 07/17/2009 11:34:00 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: handy old one
How is that for covering the problem as a whole and yet individually as a whole??

um... confusing?

103 posted on 07/17/2009 11:34:30 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: kingpins10
"It presents no conundrum. Science has no 100% reliable way of telling the age of fossils. To say otherwise is beyond risible at this point."

But the evos don't accept your view.

104 posted on 07/17/2009 11:35:26 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: stormer

Well, since the insertion of the word “ancestor” is arbitrary, and not sopported by any evidence, they are indeed “lying” by using the term.

Is that what you were getting at?


105 posted on 07/17/2009 11:38:05 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel
It is indeed very easy to explain, but the science of erosion an redeposition is far beyond your mental capabilities.

So a fossil is always correlated to the era of the strata in which it is embedded, except when it doesn't fit the evolutionary presupposition. In that case it is obviously an example of erosion and redeposition.

Okay, I get it. Kind of like, "heads I win, tails you lose." I've always liked that kind of scientific proposition.

106 posted on 07/17/2009 11:38:09 AM PDT by JHL (Ps 118:8-9)
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To: MrB

No just been reading too much MSM crap and the mind is circling around what ever subject is at hand. So idea goes straight to action and very little thought is allowed!! The amount of MSM crap need to reach this point is so small you need to use a electron microscope to even be able to tell if there is even the smallest amount possible to be detected.


107 posted on 07/17/2009 11:41:49 AM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotle)
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To: BrandtMichaels
"Micro-evolution represents a loss of information - not a gain."

You are confusing Shannon (Information Theory) Entropy with Microevolution as characterized by minor changes over a relatively limited number of generations (i.e.; resulting from mutation, natural selection, artificial selection, gene flow and genetic drift). Microevolution is a loss in the fidelity of the transmission of the original data, but the resultant may contain a higher data content.

108 posted on 07/17/2009 11:42:27 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: handy old one

Ah, I read the IBD, Freerepublic, and listen to talk radio for my information. We haven’t turned on the TV for a year other than to watch a DVD...

So, I guess I’m unpolluted.


109 posted on 07/17/2009 11:43:40 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: JHL

“So a fossil is always correlated to the era of the strata in which it is embedded”

Wrong.

The shear ignorance of your post astounds me. If “Dino” died by falling into a cravase of older rock, or was burried in an avalanche of much older rock, what do you think the “strata test” would show?


110 posted on 07/17/2009 11:44:34 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

How convenient, they actually found a well preserved photo of the dino!

This propaganda is outrageous. Do you really subscribe to it?


111 posted on 07/17/2009 11:45:01 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel

A similar situation was used to “disprove” the archeology/history of the Bible.

Come to find out, the artifacts that were in an “older” layer was simply due to people burying their garbage instead of leaving it out on the ground.


112 posted on 07/17/2009 11:46:04 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: JHL

Also not to be discussed in detail is the idea of redepositation. It has never been observed, nor the conditions that would allow for it been defined and therefore also exists only as the imaginary fairy tale.


113 posted on 07/17/2009 11:46:40 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: MrB

I was referring to the bilge that is on other peoples clothing!! I don’t have the ability to live through the MSM news and blather. Just think how bad I would be if I tried to do that!! Ha Ha Ha


114 posted on 07/17/2009 11:48:43 AM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristotle)
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To: xcamel

But but but the rocks are all supposed to be the same age as the fossils they are found in therefore the crevasse could not be older than the age the dinosaur was living in.

Otherwise the dating of fossils by the age of the rocks and the dating of the rocks by the type of fossils found in them would be WRONG!


115 posted on 07/17/2009 11:51:52 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: editor-surveyor

What you need to do is find a dino with cancer then you can *prove* that dinosaurs lived 350 years ago.


116 posted on 07/17/2009 11:53:28 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Natural Law

So then you could take say a population of dogs - say full-bred rat terriers - and turn them back into wolves. Given enough time of course.


117 posted on 07/17/2009 11:54:38 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

Many, Many good articles discussing exactly this.

Too bad you’re too closed minded to accept the obvious processes of nature.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=fossil+erosion+redeposit&aq=f&oq=&aqi=


118 posted on 07/17/2009 12:00:52 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel
Wrong. The shear ignorance of your post astounds me. If “Dino” died by falling into a cravase of older rock, or was burried in an avalanche of much older rock, what do you think the “strata test” would show?

I stand corrected, there is a third possibility: Heads I win, tails you lose, and whether heads or tails you still lose.

You are certainly willing to consider any number of theories about this issue, except, perhaps that you might be wrong.

119 posted on 07/17/2009 12:01:43 PM PDT by JHL (Ps 118:8-9)
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To: JHL

I have personally observed and documented this process.

You are just too closed minded or ignorant to accept it.


120 posted on 07/17/2009 12:06:17 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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