Posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:02 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.
The pope made his call for a re-think of the way the world economy is run in a new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.
Parts of the encyclical, titled "Charity in Truth," seemed bound to upset free marketeers because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.
The pope said every economic decision had a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.
Benedict said "there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result."
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So the leader of the Catholic Church recommends that secular institutions redistribute wealth?! Though a former Catholic, I have often heralded Pope Benedict, but this statement is absolutely infuriating and the strongest case ever made against Papal infallibilty.
This document isn’t ex cathedra, so it’s not infallible. Only on matters of faith and morals.
It’s hard to put into words how disappointed I am that the Pope would write something like this. It reads like hard core commie agitprop. Almost sounds like the Pope is setting the stage for one world religion merged with one world government. I guess nothing should surprise me anymore.
I just did. You are beyond stretching the truth.
And Christ never said “Christian” either, so your question makes no sense.
You don't like the question, so you pose another and fail to answer both. Pathetic.
Simple. 1) The Eucharist is a Divine command, 2) it is a sacramental presence, not a bloody one.
There is no precedent for this anywhere in Jewish practice. You can't find in the Tanakh anything presaging this conclusion. His statement was metaphorical and symbolic, just as was the passover lamb was a symbol of Him. It was a device for us to recognize Him and remember, just as were teffilin or mezuzot, just as his citation of Hillel of the Shema as the most important Law.
We do follow the Man - the God-man. I am not ignorant of our Jewish roots. I bet I know more than you do. So far that is clearly the case.
Somehow I've missed the RCC keeping that Sabbath thingy. This is pure spin on your part.
Actually I believe that ex cathedra refers to a teaching by the pope that is considered to be made with the intention of invoking infallibility concerning faith and or morals.
From what I read it could easily be inferred that he is speaking directly morals.
Perhaps it needs to be specifically stated that a statment is ex cathedra? If so, I did not know that.
However, regardless of whether or not the statement is deemed by the Church to be infallible, it still saddens me that the Catholic Church’s head believes that secular institutions should be in charge of redistribution of wealth. He is Scripturally off base in this instance, so I pray you are correct.
Believe it or not, most Catholics would agree with you. The Catholic Church only teaches that the Pope is "infallible" on matters that pertain to faith and morals (for example, naming saints and explaining original sin) and NOT on anything else (science, economics, politics, etc.) Obviously the Pope is a mortal man and he makes mistakes.
You ignorantly assume that just because I/we currently pay taxes to go to entitlement programs, somehow that makes it ok or moral? BZZ! Try again.
Either the Pope has been misquoted, or he is a leftist, or he is not a leftist, but profoundly lacking in judgment nonetheless.
All fascists/all the time.
"With Him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are His." -- Job 12:16 "But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the LORD a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen." -- Malachi 1:14
Thank God.
Everything else I wrote still applies, including my ultimate point, i.e., the Pope favors an armed world government.
Yep, and they wonder why people have an aversion to the Pope and to the Church. Maybe he’s not the anti-Christ but he is certainly promoting a one world order.
The Catholic Church, i.e. the Vatican, should set an example by selling all of their elaborate buildings and treasures and give the money to the poor.
He also called for this global authority having the power to enforce it's redistributive plans. So much for individual freedom.
Was there a thread recently that pondered what would be said at the meeting between Barack and the Pope? Today, we have incite.
The UN section is tough to understand outside of the context of the rest of the encyclical.
This is his key caveat to his idea of re-purposing the UN:
“In order not to produce a dangerous universal power of a tyrannical nature, the governance of globalization must be marked by subsidiarity, articulated into several layers and involving different levels that can work together. Globalization certainly requires authority, insofar as it poses the problem of a global common good that needs to be pursued. This authority, however, must be organized in a subsidiary and stratified way[138], if it is not to infringe upon freedom and if it is to yield effective results in practice.”
One has to read all the prior sections to see what he means by “subsidiarity” and how it relates to government and liberty.
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While we differ on issues of the Church, I would hop eyou would reflect on this. Right now, I see a lot of knee-jerking going on (not just you).
Do you plan to read it and discuss further, perhaps starting another thread?
How true. But as Catholics (and Christians) we have been told that it is no good to tell people only of the Word while ignoring their needs for food, shelter, etc. I believe much of this is aimed at the impoverished countries, not just the US.
He speaks out across the globe for abortion. He allows his brother bishops to handle the problems in their own area. You do realize that he’s not the President and CEO of a multinational? He can’t swoop in and be everywhere at once.
if the Catholic church was established by Christ, then why don’t they follow the teachings of him and his disciples? He gave Peter the keys to the kingdom (what one must do to be saved) and Peter gives those instructions after Christ ascended the RC church does not teach that, yet Peter is considered the first Pope.... if he is so revered then why not do as he said?
Our nation is rich, while you or I may or may not be. We’ve been blessed by many things no one else has (the birth of Washington, Jefferson, Reagan, etc, a Judeo-Christian set of values, western thinking in terms of liberty, freedom, and so forth). Much of the world is impoverished and under the jack-boots of thugs and tyrants.
Our poor have cell phones and TVs.
Is it rude to point out we’re rich?
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