New from Polarick: The Birth Certificate Question

My computer generated copy, as you call it, DOES contain copies of the ACTUAL, ORIGINAL signatures, from the Doctor and my mother.

We can get two at one blow by cursing Mohammed and the horse he rode in on. :)

Now, that is funny!

Then, of course, there are South Africans, about 10% of whom are caucasians. IMHO use of the term "African" on this "COLB" is just about as much a tip off that it's a fake as using MS Word to produce bogus Bush TANG records was tip off that they were fakes

That's my thinking too, but who knows? Now they issue these certificates that merely represent originals, and maybe now they use different terminology. There ought to be a procedure for checking a modern copy against an original, just to make sure the copier got it right. I mean, IF they are now using different terminology, shouldn't there be a rule book somewhere saying: "Wherever the original says 'Negro,' replace with 'African.' " Otherwise, anybody in the office can make their own personal interpretations of the data they're supposed to be copying, and that would be a really bad idea. Well, it's the gubmint...

My computer generated copy, as you call it, DOES contain copies of the ACTUAL, ORIGINAL signatures, from the Doctor and my mother.

Some states, like California (where I was born) issue actual copies of the original long form birth certificate upon request.

I'm not clear as to why the state of Hawaii chose to create and issue these secondary documents (certification of live birth), as opposed to simply photocopying the originals.

I have the same thing in my possession as you do.

I believe the restriction was in PAKISTAN.

You are an apologist for the looney left? You sound like one.

I just obtained a US passport a few weeks ago. When I applied I had to provide a “Birth Certification” document from the state in which I was born. I got it from the US Consulate in Calgary. Although it looks very different in design and color from the one that was posted for 0 it contains the exact same type of information.

Thanks, Hardstarboard.

Note the comment at the bottom of the document pictured in post number 2. It says something to the effect that this document is proof of the fact of birth in any court proceedings. Can anyone comment on the meaning of that statement?

Is that comment on all BCs?

I wonder about blackmail from foreign operatives. They could hold “proof” over Obama’s head—

So that is how Hillary got to be Secretary of State...

We heard about the 900+ (raw data) FBI files on 'leading Republicans', which explains how Bubba kept from getting impeached, but who really thought the data mining would have stopped there?

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.

Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"

Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.

Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. dJoe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Curtis Sliwa has always been on our side. I met him when he was on our streets when I was doing a photo shoot of a rock group(It was nice to have him stand in for a set). He has always been a hero of mine.

I have met Medved and his family. The only explanation I have is that he is trying to be real careful about turning off the liberal moderates. He needs to maintain that listener audiance in order to keep his rating high in the competitive talk show market.

Ooooh! Bad slip. African isn’t a race.

Good night! This is Fostergate revisited!

You can get official reproductions that would be printed in today’s style.

Those are not reproductions, per se. They do not contain all the information on the original 'long form' certificate. They are just print outs of a portion of the information on file in the state's birth records database. That's what a "Certification" of Live Birth is. Another term for it is an "abstract" certificate. For some purposes and in some situations, abstract certificates may not be accepted as proving place/date of birth. For example, the state department won't take one if the time between the date of birth and the date accepted by registrar is more than a year. The State Department also won't take abstract certificates generated by 2 or 3 of the states, because the information shown on them is insufficient, or even incorrect, such as only showing date filed, rather than date of birth, or showing the place of filing as the place of birth.

But the alleged COLB posted by the Obama campaign is an electronic forgery, so it hardly matters.

Several,’’someones’’ are happily comitting treason as we read FR.

It is my theory that Stanley Ann never made it back to Hawaii after her episode in Kenya. I think Grandfather Obama made it clear that he did not want her in the same state as his son, Barack Sr. I suspect their return flight went from Kenya to London and out to Vancouver BC in a polar route (being summertime, it was a good time for such a flight). When in Vancouver BC, Stanley and “Barry” went on to Mercer Island, Washington State by ferry. Barack Sr went on to Hawaii.

The bogus Certification of Live Birth and birth announcement in the newspaper was done by Stanley Ann's mother, “Toots” who was in Hawaii.

I looked up the meaning of “barack,” and depending on what website you get to, it’s:

Blessed
A blessing from God
Kneel
Lightning (Lightnin’? — that’s a bad one)
Smiter of Jews (???)
Mighty warrior (???)

And it comes from the Hebrew “Baruch.” It’s a common boy’s name in Kenya.

Putting African is kind of like putting British or Canadian, not a race identifier

Actually more akin to putting South American, or European.

I'm sure by now we've all heard stories of Afrikaner South Africans, or Rhodesian, who have immigrated to the US, or children of those who have done so, and tried to claim status as "African Americans", and been denied. Teresa Kerry is an African American for example.

CALLING ALL HAWAIIAN BORN FREEPERS who have a parent of black heritage!

What's on your certificate? How is your parent's race listed on a recently issued COLB?