Posted on 06/21/2009 7:28:09 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
The Birth Certificate Question
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm
Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:44:05 PM · 99 of 113
We have no proof of where Obama was born. Anyone who claims that he was born in Hawaii is suffering from COLB Derangement Syndrome. Hawaii never confirmed that he was born in Hawaii, never confirmed that he has a Hawaiian long-form birth certificate or any other US birth certificate on file, or even if they have anything tangible beyond a computer record.
Most of all, Hawaii confirmed that they never released a copy of Obama’s COLB to anyone in June 2007.
Einstein could have called himself, "Humpty Dumpty," and hid his face, but that would not change the fact that he discovered E=mc². Likewise, Obama’s 2007 COLB would be just as nonexistent as if I had never discovered that it was nonexistent. But, it is a good thing that I did.
It's positively amazing the amount of effort that people have expended in defense of this piece of crap COLB image that the Poseur-in-Chief now admits to posting online. There is only one reason why, after more than a year, that only one scan image of one side only has ever been made from what is alleged to be Obama’s 2007 COLB: it doesn't exist. Obama’s 2007 COLB is a forged fake, fabricated in Photoshop, and nothing that anyone says or does can change that fact.
There is absolutely no reason, whatsoever, that the Obama Campaign would not make another, more detailed scan, including one of the reverse side of the COLB, and send that out to quiet critics. No reason, EXCEPT that the document does not exist in the real world. It only exists in the unreal, virtual world of Photoshopped fakes.
BTW, a digital photo is not the same thing as a scan image, and it most certainly cannot be used to validate a scan image. Certainly not when the document object is photographed at a steep angles from the capture device (which were intentional).
Remember that Factcheck.org did not take a digital photo of the reverse side (all that Factcheck photographed was only 1/4 of the entire back page, and only 2/3 of the Seal). Why was so little of the back page shown? Because what was photographed belonged to a different COLB!! Check it out for yourself: the Seal on the reverse side does not match the one on the front side. It is one of several, new discoveries I've made after revisitng the Factcheck photographs.
A year later after the bogus scan image was posted, THAT is exactly what people are still talking about. They are referring back to the original forged image on Fight the Smears and Factcheck. They are quoting Factcheck -- the co-conspirator in this birth certficate scam -- as having "verified" the bogus "scan image."
Recall that Factcheck claimed they photographed the same object that the Obama Campaign scanned two months earlier.
They took these photos SOLELY IN DEFENSE of the scan image that they alleged to have "validated," and to fend off the widespread criticism of the COLB as a forged image. However, they failed to "debunk" the critics. This was all part of an elaborate ruse to create the illusion that Obama had released his genuine, certified original birth certificate to the public.
What is hard to believe are the people in high places who actually believe that this document exists, but of those, here is a segment who also discount it as being proof of where Obama was actually born. COLBs are incredibly easy to get with little documentation required. And, yes, it is a well-documented fact that Hawaii was giving COLBs to foreign-born children.
But the bottom line is that the original "scan image" is what people are still talking about today, and it is an indisputable fact that Obama, or anyone else, does not have a genuine 2007 COLB document. What is posted online is as bogus as a four-dollar bill.
Obama ascended to the position of President by fraudulent means, including document fraud, Internet fraud, voter fraud, and campaign funding fraud, to name a few. The only question at hand now is whether he will be removed by invalidating his election, or by the articles of impeachment. If I were a Democratic Congressman, and I was going to be implicated in this fraud, I'd be calling for impeachment in a New York minute.
FReeper Ron Polarik, Ph D State: Colorado
Purportedly, Nelson had dinner with West the week that he delivered Obama. She asked him to tell her something interesting that happended that week. To which he responded that "Stanley" had a baby because a) it was odd for a woman to be named Stanley and b) Nelson's father's name was Stanley. It's not that Obama's birth stood out so many years later, just that it stood out the week Nelson had dinner with West.
With that said, it boggles my mind that this article wasn't written or published until well after the presidential election. Everybody who doesn't live on a rock and isn't using mind-altering substances knows that birthers were demanding to know the name of the physician who delivered Obama. So why didn't they publish this memory before the election to clear up that issue? Let me take a guess ... because Dr. West was still alive and could have refuted the story. He died in February 2009.
Yes. Totally false. See the 1981 U.S. State Department travel advisory for Pakistan in post #140. Note that it is only the text and not a link to the original document that is archived at NARA.
Actually most "short form"/abstracts are. Hawaii's is. California's, Texas' and I think Georgia's are not. Different reasons in each case.
Still, they do not contain sufficient information to prove "natural born", and are very easily forged, since most have no official signatures, other than a simple stamp of the signature of the registrar from the state in question. Most "long form"/"vault"/"original" birth certificates contain parents' address, birthplaces, and a signature of one of them (usually the mother) as well as signatures from the attending doctor or nurse-midwife, and the hospital's registrar.
The certification calls his father "African", not him. It has no "field" for the child's race.
That's how the world of adults works.
It's not, 'I'm making something up, prove it didn't happen or else my fable must be true'.
It's really pretty easy, just show the proof of what you say.
That's the first time I've heard that as well.
> Check it out for yourself: the Seal on the reverse side does not match the one on the front side. It is one of several, new discoveries I've made after revisitng the Factcheck photographs.
Please elaborate.
I don't recall ever saying that it was “impossible” for Obama to go to Pakistan, as a US Citizen.
I do recall that my link clear said it would have been EASIER for Obama to go to Pakistan under the passport of another country. I do say that we should demand his passport, to see what country Obama claimed to hail from, at the time he went to Pakistan.
Obama most definitely had an Indonesian passport, at one time. We need to see that passport, as well.
Um, yeah. Lightning or “Lahtnin’” was a derisive term for a lazy black person way back when. Like calling a fat guy “Tiny,” or my cat “Rocket.” That’s why I said it was a bad one, but maybe people don’t remember that old stuff anymore. It is to be hoped.
Evidence for that is?
It was extremely easy for US citizens to travel to Pakistan in the period 1980-83.
Anyone who says otherwise is a liar, or deluded.
Almost surely, NO.
There are reports of investigators putting that question to hospital officials, who have yet to produce any documentation to the effect that he was. One can be almost certain that if the hospital did have a record of Obama's birth there, they would trumpet it to the world, both to address the constitutional eligibility issue and to give the hospital favorable publicity.
Incidentally, Stanley Ann Obama died at the Straub Clinic in 1995, according to an obit which appeared shortly after in the Honolulu Advertiser.
> Hawaii confirmed that they never released a copy of Obama’s COLB to anyone in June 2007.
That’s the first time I’ve heard that.
> Check it out for yourself: the Seal on the reverse side does not match the one on the front side. It is one of several, new discoveries I’ve made after revisitng the Factcheck photographs.
Please elaborate.
The Buffalo News story to which you linked was written on O's Anointment Day, Jan. 20, 2009. It indicated that Dr. West had died in February 2008.
The story about Dr. West delivering Obama presented there is almost certainly fabricated out of whole cloth. Supposedly the newspaper interviewed a woman who was a former teacher of Obama at his private Hawaii school. I could believe that the teacher could have remembered Obama as a student and as a basketball player, but the part about the doctor telling her on the Hawaii beach that he had just delivered baby named Barack Hussein Obama just sounds too contrived to be believed.
There's a possibility that O's henchmen located his former teacher, called her and arranged for her to be interviewed by the newspaper on Inauguration Day, and made up the story for her to tell to "prove" that O was born in Hawaii.
Got it.
“...My granddaughter one year old had to have a pass port before traveling to London. The government will not accept a copy like Obama’s green certificate but you need the orginial that is completely filled out when applying for a US passport...Did he ever travel abroad before becoming a candidate?”
Yes, he did indeed travel abroad, and therein lies a mystery.
When Barack Obama was running for President, he said he had never possessed a U.S. passport prior to becoming a member of Congress.
He has never explained how, in 1981 when Barack (20-years old) and his Pakistani roommate from Occidental College traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, and India, what did Barack use for a passport? And was it under the name Barack Obama or Barry Soetoro, his Indonesian name.
Many believe the BC locked in that vault in Hawaii is an adoption BC, from 1963/1964, when he was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, prior to the Soetoro’s moving to Indonesia. On that BC would be the name Barry Soetoro.
In Indonesia, Barack Obama attended school registered as Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro, and was listed as being an Indonesian citizen and Muslim.
Barry traveled back and forth to Hawaii with his mother, and in those days one’s children could travel on mom’s passport if listed thereon. (This information is second hand from an elderly neighbor who traveled extensively with her children in the 1960s.)
When Obama and roomie went to south Asia they stopped first in Indonesia for two weeks. I suspect Barry Soetoro applied for and was granted an Indonesian passport at that time. He would have been required to repudiate all other citizenships to acquire that Indonesian passport and on it would be his professed religion: Muslim.
There is no record in this country that Barry Soetoro ever legally changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama II. Such name changes are public records.
Nice html but. . . travel was discouraged, not forbidden. Please cite your source.
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Proof, got any or will you just resort to childish name calling again?
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When did he say this? To whom did he say this?
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