Posted on 06/17/2009 7:19:31 PM PDT by FromLori
Green shoots are bursting out. Or so we are told. But before concluding that the recession will soon be over, we must ask what history tells us. It is one of the guides we have to our present predicament. Fortunately, we do have the data. Unfortunately, the story they tell is an unhappy one.
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Two economic historians, Barry Eichengreen of the University of California at Berkeley and Kevin ORourke of Trinity College, Dublin, have provided pictures worth more than a thousand words (see charts).* In their paper, Profs Eichengreen and ORourke date the beginning of the current global recession to April 2008 and that of the Great Depression to June 1929. So what are their conclusions on where we are a little over a year into the recession? The bad news is that this recession fully matches the early part of the Great Depression. The good news is that the worst can still be averted.
First, global industrial output tracks the decline in industrial output during the Great Depression horrifyingly closely. Within Europe, the decline in the industrial output of France and Italy has been worse than at this point in the 1930s, while that of the UK and Germany is much the same. The declines in the US and Canada are also close to those in the 1930s. But Japans industrial collapse has been far worse than in the 1930s, despite a very recent recovery.
Second, the collapse in the volume of world trade has been far worse than during the first year of the Great Depression. Indeed, the decline in world trade in the first year is equal to that in the first two years of the Great Depression. This is not because of protection, but because of collapsing demand for manufactures.
Third, despite the recent bounce, the decline in world stock markets is far bigger than in the corresponding period of the Great Depression.
The two authors sum up starkly: Globally we are tracking or doing even worse than the Great Depression ... This is a Depression-sized event.
Yet what gave the Great Depression its name was a brutal decline over three years. This time the world is applying the lessons taken from that event by John Maynard Keynes and Milton Friedman, the two most influential economists of the 20th century. The policy response suggests that the disaster will not be repeated.
Profs Eichengreen and ORourke describe this contrast. During the Great Depression, the weighted average discount rate of the seven leading economies never fell below 3 per cent. Today it is close to zero. Even the European Central Bank, most hawkish of the big central banks, has lowered its rate to 1 per cent. Again, during the Great Depression, money supply collapsed. But this time it has continued to rise. Indeed, the combination of strong monetary growth with deep recession raises doubts about the monetarist explanation for the Great Depression. Finally, fiscal policy has been far more aggressive this time. In the early 1930s the weighted average deficit for 24 significant countries remained smaller than 4 per cent of gross domestic product. Today, fiscal deficits will be far higher. In the US, the general government deficit is expected to be almost 14 per cent of GDP.
All this is consistent with the conclusions of an already classic paper by Carmen Reinhart of the university of Maryland and Kenneth Rogoff of Harvard.** Financial crises cause deep economic crises. The impact of a global financial crisis should be particularly severe. Moreover, the real value of government debt tends to explode, rising an average of 86 per cent in the major postWorld War II episodes. The chief reason is not the bail-outs of banks but the recessions. After the fact, runaway private lending turns into public spending and mountains of debt. Creditworthy governments will not accept the alternative of a big slump.
The question is whether todays unprecedented stimulus will offset the effect of financial collapse and unprecedented accumulations of private sector debt in the US and elsewhere. If the former wins, we will soon see a positive deviation from the path of the Great Depression. If the latter wins, we will not. What everybody hopes is clear. But what should we expect?
We are seeing a race between the repair of private balance sheets and global rebalancing of demand, on the one hand, and the sustainability of stimulus, on the other.
CHART AT SITE
Robust private sector demand will return only once the balance sheets of over-indebted households, overborrowed businesses and undercapitalised financial sectors are repaired or when countries with high savings rates consume or invest more. None of this is likely to be quick. Indeed, it is far more likely to take years, given the extraordinary debt accumulations of the past decade. Over the past two quarters, for example, US households repaid just 3.1 per cent of their debt. Deleveraging is a lengthy process. Meanwhile, the federal government has become the only significant borrower. Similarly, the Chinese government can swiftly expand investment. But it is harder for policy to raise levels of consumption.
The great likelihood is that the world economy will need aggressive monetary and fiscal policies far longer than many believe. That is going to be make policymakers and investors nervous.
Two opposing dangers arise. One is that the stimulus is withdrawn too soon, as happened in the 1930s and in Japan in the late 1990s. There will then be a relapse into recession, because the private sector is still unable, or unwilling, to spend. The other danger is that stimulus is withdrawn too late. That would lead to a loss of confidence in monetary stability worsened by concerns over the sustainability of public debt, particularly in the US, the provider of the worlds key currency. At the limit, soaring dollar prices of commodities and rising long-term interest rates on government bonds might put the US and world economies into a malign stagflation. Contrary to some alarmists, I see no signs of such a panic today. But it might happen.
Last year the world economy tipped over into a slump. The policy response has been massive. But those sure we are at the beginning of a robust private sector-led recovery are almost certainly deluded. The race to full recovery is likely to be long, hard and uncertain.
The Great Depression Ahead:
It could be years. This is so depressing.
Interesting. Thanks for the links.
Thank you one day I will get it right and be able to post them “hopefully”.
That's whats so frustrating. My household and many of my friends and family are doing the right thing by deleveraging our personal debt as fast as we can, while Dear Leader is spending and printing money he doesn't have so fast to prop up bad debt that it seems like the one step forward two steps back economy.
The authors apparently take 0bama’s bad joke of a ‘stimulus’ package seriously. That is very depressing.
If we are lucky - we will have the Japanese version of the “lost decade”
In 1920-21, industrial production fell 33% in 18 months. That’s actually a steeper decline than the first 18 nonths of 1929-32.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5814/is_n3_v29/ai_n28604039/
OUCH
Maybe the Mayan calendar is right...
How many different spin slogans does that make now. Tell them someone sprayed their green shoots with round up and green ink from the Fed's money presses..
A large part of my work involves dealing with small businesses. These are businesses that aren’t traded on a stock market, don’t have DC pols at their beck and call, and rarely make the news, but that also drive most of our economy.
The bad news: They’re dying in droves. Seas and messes of them. It’s BAD. And zero’s policies - or rather the justified fear of his stupid policies such as cap-and-tax, “pro-labor” (actually anit-business) policies, and expected big increases in taxation to pay for zero-care (these guys often fall into the “eeevvviiiillllll rich” category, but just on paper) - are pushing many of them right over the cliff.
People, we are in for a MUCH rougher ride than the idiotic press and “experts” could even dream...
2012 could be
Get on with the depression, it’s the only thing that can clean up the credit disaster!
Wipe out those living on credit and those that gave it to them!
Business’s started cancelling building projects I would say it was about six months before the election when it was looking like he would get in I know because my husbands firm had cancellations and projects put on hold that later cancellled and in his 36 years we have never seen commercial construction this bad.
Prepare for a depression!
My experience is the same. Small businesses are dying out here, much worse than what is being shown in the media.
So...we’re due for 25% unemployment instead of worthless currency?
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