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Shots fired at huge election protest in Tehran
MSNBC.COM ^ | 6/15/09

Posted on 06/15/2009 9:47:12 AM PDT by Sleeping Freeper

TEHRAN, Iran - Shots were fired Monday at a rally by pro-reform presidential candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, apparently by pro-government militia.

An AP photographer said militia fired at the opposition protesters, killing at least on person.

"There has been sporadic shooting out there ... I can see people running here," added a reporter of Iran's English-language Press TV.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; iranviolence2009; musavi; thugs; tm
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To: PhilDragoo
Started a thread with the video and audio:

Video of crowd in Iran and soldier on roof firing...( maybe in to the air or....)

101 posted on 06/15/2009 3:04:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

See link at #101.


102 posted on 06/15/2009 3:05:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Sleeping Freeper; BraveMan; Milhous; FBD

See link at #101,.


103 posted on 06/15/2009 3:07:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: randomhero97
I didn't accuse you of being a DU'er. I merely stated that you were using a DU argument against President Bush.

Which you were.

btw, the Dalai Lama loves President Bush. :)

104 posted on 06/15/2009 3:15:22 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ga medic
There is a huge difference between making a comment and "interference."

President Bush already HAS made comments.........multiple times...........in support of the Iranian freedom fighters within the country.

A comment now from President Obama supporting their desire for freedom would be VERY appropriate.....very American, in fact.

Of course, Obama will not do so for at least three reasons: 1. He is not an American 2. He supports the oppressors. 3. He is a coward.

105 posted on 06/15/2009 3:18:25 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

freedom? Wrong, they want Justice. They want free healthcare, free education and more likely than not free internet.

The idea that somehow these protesters are inherently wise simply because their the opposition is a little disturbing on this site.

I suggest that Mousavi is only upset because HE isn’t the dictator.


106 posted on 06/15/2009 3:30:13 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: wiseprince

Exactly, but we should spread democracy to those who don’t want it just to be sure.


107 posted on 06/15/2009 3:32:11 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Reagan is King
WOW-those photos bring it home.

SHAME ON THE COWARDLY MR. IDIOT UHBAMA FOR NOT SPEAKING OUT REGARDING THIS ELECTION!

108 posted on 06/15/2009 3:48:09 PM PDT by Republic (Jedem das Seine)
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To: ohioWfan

“There is a huge difference between making a comment and “interference.”

Obviously, but perception is not always the same thing as reality. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would love to turn this into and Iran vs the US fight. It takes the pressure off of him. He will try to portray anything done by the US as support for the opposition, and a reason to come down hard of the students and others who want this revolution to happen.

I don’t understand why you think it is so important for Obama to say something. How can it possibly help this situation? If you just see everything that Obama does as wrong, that is fine, but I am curious about what you see as the positives of an Obama statement.


109 posted on 06/15/2009 3:51:59 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: wiseprince
Wow. You made so many assumptions in this post that it would not be wise for me to continue this discussion.

But I will point out to you that these protestors pre-dated Mousavi and this election, and that there has been a rebellion fomenting in Iran for a long time - and that is why President Bush spoke out frequently on behalf of these freedom fighters.

I suggest you get up to speed on the reality of the situation before you comment again.

110 posted on 06/15/2009 4:20:09 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ga medic
I don’t understand why you think it is so important for Obama to say something. How can it possibly help this situation? If you just see everything that Obama does as wrong, that is fine, but I am curious about what you see as the positives of an Obama statement.

It is important because the President of the United States is supposed to stand up for freedom, and not cower. Obama is showing intense weakness because he is afraid to speak out against tyranny.

It is a matter of principle based on our historic support of freedom in other countries around the world (think Reagan if you don't like Bush), and his silence is disgusting.

For me the greater question is, why are you defending Obama's cowardice? Why do you think the Leader of the Free World should remain silent on such a significant issue? Why are you more worried about a tinhorn dictator's response than speaking out in principle?

(btw, Mark Levin just addressed the issue and the harm Obama's lack of support must be doing to the brave young Iranians fighting for their freedom. They now know they are on their own. It's disgusting).

111 posted on 06/15/2009 4:27:41 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: randomhero97
I'm wondering what your source is for believing that the Iranians who have been fighting for freedom for years, now don't want it?

Where are you getting this information?

112 posted on 06/15/2009 4:30:24 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Is the Bama still going to sit down with the monkey man Ahmadi without pre-conditions?


113 posted on 06/15/2009 4:34:03 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: ohioWfan

Ok. You have your mind made up. I told you why I think he shouldn’t say anything. You think he should. You haven’t told me what you think it would help. Only that is what a President is supposed to do.

Obama has failed miserably at everything that he has done, yet for some reason you seem to believe that he could manage to be a positive player in this Iranian meltdown. He can barely read a teleprompter, yet you think he can somehow manage to give support to the students, while not giving any indication that the US is supporting a revolution. You must have a much more positive view of Obama than I do. I think the less he does and says, the better this country will fare.


114 posted on 06/15/2009 4:38:52 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic

BTW, these students in the opposition were always on their own. even if the US expressed verbal support, there was going to be no other support. I pray they are successful, and they stay free from harm, but I fear this will be very ugly. They are brave and courageous and they have God on their side. Iranians are more than capable of taking control of their own country, without the help of the US>


115 posted on 06/15/2009 4:44:46 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic
You have distorted what I have said beyond belief, so let me clarify to try to help you understand.

Even with the abject failure that Obama is, IF he spoke out for the cause of freedom, it would have a positive effect on those who are risking their lives for it in Iran. Quoting Levin again.......they now know they are on their own. The strongest country in the world has abandoned them. He IS the President of the United States, and he COULD have a positive effect on these freedom fighters IF he did the right thing.

The problem is that we both know that he is worthless (bizarre that you should twist my words and accuse me of having a positive view of Obama......absolutely bizarre), but you seem to want to encourage him to continue to do the wrong thing while I am criticizing him for it.

His silence is disgusting. His support of dictators and tyranny is disgusting. HE is disgusting.

But he is still doing the wrong thing by being quiet. Supporting him on that, for me is unthinkable.

116 posted on 06/15/2009 4:48:11 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ga medic
But you are in support of removing the moral support of the American people from these brave and courageous young men and women. Are you not?

You think it's worthless for them to know the strongest country in the world has your back? Do you not?

117 posted on 06/15/2009 4:50:38 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ga medic
Flip side.

Ahmadinejad is empowered and encouraged by Obama's silence. If he rigged the election (which he, of course did), no big deal to America. We are de facto, supporting his tyranny.

Obama's silence is deadly both ways.

118 posted on 06/15/2009 4:57:02 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that if they want to be free they will do it on their own accord.


119 posted on 06/15/2009 4:58:20 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97
Trying to figure out how this.....

Exactly, but we should spread democracy to those who don’t want it just to be sure.

Turns out to mean this....

What I’m saying is that if they want to be free they will do it on their own accord.

That's quite the flip flop.

I hope you've noted that they ARE fighting for freedom "on their own accord." And they will get no support nor encouragement from this bastion of freedom, the United States of America.

120 posted on 06/15/2009 5:01:24 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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