Actually a real one does. It's right there between Date of Birth and Mother's Maiden Name. But since the image below, which is the "official" "fight the smears" version, is likely an electronically fabricated forgery, that doesn't help much.
Posted on 06/10/2009 1:47:46 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta
Glenn Greenwald passes along a clip of Richard Wolffe discussing his new Barack Obama biography, “Renegade,” on G. Gordon Liddy’s talk show, in an interview that rather quickly dovetails into Liddy’s conspiracy theories about Obama’s citizenship.
LIDDY: You mentioned distractions. One of these distractions right now is these lawsuits that take the position that he is not constitutionally eligible to be president of the United States because he is not a naturally-born citizen. Now, he could clear that up in an instant by producing a genuine birth certificate. And yet he refuses to do it. He says he has one but he won’t do it. What is behind that? Hubris or what? WOLFFE: Well, I’m going to differ with you on this one. This came up during the campaign. A copy of the birth certificate is out there. Anyone can see it. He was born in Hawaii. There are documents from the state of Hawaii that prove it. I don’t know what else you really expect me to do.
LIDDY: Well, here’s the thing. The document you speak of is a “certificate of live birth,” which is not a birth certificate. You can’t get a passport with that, you can’t even register your kids…
WOLFFE: Yes you can. That’s what I do. That’s what everyone does. The certificate of live birth is exactly what you get a passport with.
LIDDY: No, it’s a birth certificate.
WOLFFE: That’s — the copy of the birth certificate, everyone has copies of birth certificates. They use them all the time. Nobody hands out the one original document.
LIDDY: No, I wouldn’t expect them to.
WOLFFE: When you go to the DMV you take a copy with you. You don’t take the real… and it’s an official copy, it has to be embossed and stamped, it’s not just like a xerox. But that’s what it is, and it’s widely accepted.
LIDDY: Why is it redacted? Why is it redacted?
WOLFFE: I haven’t seen any redactions.
LIDDY: The one that’s on the internet, that’s the one that I’ve seen, and that one has the serial number redacted.
WOLFFE: I have no idea. I’ve seen one with serial numbers on it and everything. So I don’t know what the problem is here. Do you have an idea of where he was born if it wasn’t in Hawaii?
LIDDY: Yeah, there’s an affidavit from his grandmother that says that she observed the birth in Mombassa, Kenya.
WOLFFE: Yeah. You know, I just think that that is completely false.
Eventually??????
I mean, really! What’s he waiting for? It’s June, ‘09, for pity’s sake.
We understand the difference between the real BC and what is being shown around. We want to see the real thing!
“I wonder if G. Gordon still has any contacts with the CIA”
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I understand Liddy was not in the CIA...the statement above is copied from post #5. I copied it over when I responded.
Having said that, the mouth watering stems from the fact that there might be someone that had the power for some covert investigating down in Kenya.
Now, there were two announcements of birth in two different newspapers, both saying that Mr. & Mrs. Barack H. Obama had a son on August 4, 1961. Doesn't say where, either hospital or city/state/country. Nor do any of the other birth announcements listed in those same editions. The only information, other than time of birth, mothers given name, and parents' races, that is on the Certification, and not in the birth announcement, is the place of birth, that is city and state. That is also the only thing on the certificate that anyone might want to change in the course of fabricating a COLB, or at least that Obama might want to change. His (alleged) parentage was already well known.
Now there is other information on the "Long Form" that would be of interest if their were any suspicion, as there is, about the validity of the information on the Short Form. The information on the short form could agree with that on the long form, but still be false. It's possible that the long form was submitted as a "home birth", which would be somewhat unusual for 1961, with a reasonably well off grandmother around.
For the very reason that the information on the long form gives clues to possible falsification of the information on it, such as place and/or date of birth, the US State Department will not accept the short form, if the date accepted by the registrar is more than a year from the date of birth indicated. But a reasonably savvy person wishing to "pencil whip" the data, would not show such a "delay", but rather would "delay" the reported birth date to fit in the 1 year window. Even a short delay could disguise the fact of a baby born elsewhere but reported as a home birth in Hawaii.
There is some evidence that Baby Barrack and Stanley Ann were in Seatle about the time he was supposedly born. It's reported by one of her friends that little BO was all pink, and that his mother did not yet know how to change his diapers, which was a lot less trivial in '61 than today, or even in the mid to late '70s, but who would fly with a relative newborn if they did not know how to change diapers? The friend reports that she taught Stanley Ann how to change the nappies. It's also been documented that Stanley Ann was attending classes in Seattle during the period in question, not at U. Hawaii.
Now if BO was born in Washington state, there would be no reason to falsify the data, but if he was born elsewhere, say in Canada, near Vancouver maybe, there might be, if one wished for the baby to be a US citizen.
I’ll pledge $1000 toward the reward. The truth is worth it, regardless of what the truth proves to be.
You can of course provide links to those high res non doctored, well scanned or photographed, images?
Being an American citizen, and being eligible for the Presidency, are two very different things.
Well he might be, but being a 'Citizen' is not enough, one must be a "Natural Born Citizen". But, if Barry was born outside the US, to a foreign citizen father, and a mother who was not yet 19, then, under the law in effect at the time, he's not a citizen, unless later naturalized. But of course that alone would make him not a natural born citizen.
Depending on how one defines "natural born", he still might not be even if A) born in the US, or b) his mother had been 19. He'd definitely be a citizen in either of those cases, but not necessarily "natural born". Unfortunately the Constitution does not define "natural born", so one must look to the historical record to find what it meant in 1787, when the Constitution was written, not to current law.
I'm sure 'ole ctdonath2 will be getting back to you pronto with the evidence...Not!
Actually a real one does. It's right there between Date of Birth and Mother's Maiden Name. But since the image below, which is the "official" "fight the smears" version, is likely an electronically fabricated forgery, that doesn't help much.
Genuine people follow facts. The paper posted on the internet was not an official document. It had no seal and no signature. It was an attempt to defray the issue for the time being. There was a suit in front of R. Barclay Surrick in Federal Court in Philadelphia at the time.
The facts are these: that Obama’s grandmother and brother in Kenya both state he was born there. The grandmother said she witnessed his birth there. Obama purports to being born in Hawaii, but nobody can produce any proof of that fact. There are no hospital records that have been provided. Nobody here attests to witnessing his birth. He has the only avenue to the proof and refuses to produce it. I learned long ago that when it smells like a skunk, it’s a skunk.
Remember when Bill Clinton wagged his finger at all of us and ‘told us again’? Did anybody believe him? Does anybody believe the Hawaii birth either? Go with the facts and you can’t go wrong. If the man could prove he was a natural born citizen, he would have in a heart beat.
Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.
Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.
Has 0bama's birth certificate been amended? Probably. That's why we want to see the original.
The only information out is that Obama was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
When I enlisted into the military, I was asked to provide my birth certificate. I complied! Why isn’t Obama also required to do so?
It is a short form - not the original, and not a "copy" of the original. It is something that can even be issued to people not born in Hawaii.
Obama has been waving this short form in people's faces all of his life.
I would follow those events with the closest attention. Not that it will ever come to that.
sorry big monkey, but what you describe is the typical ignorance and gullibility of the lefty wackos. the COLB and the original long from BC are NOT the same thing, especially since in 1961 Hawaii did allow residents to submit affadavits to declare citizenship, regardless of whether the baby was born on US soil or not.
the COLB is legal to prove US citizenship, for that you are correct. But it does not prove NATURAL BORN citizenship. So while the COLB would be good enough to get a passport, drivers license, etc.....those thing only require proof of Us citizenship.
We have never denied that the usurper has US citizenship.
There is one and only one position that requires NATURAL BORN citizenship....and that is the POTUS. And that has not been proven for the Usurper. At all.
But the doubters just simply fail to answer one simple question. If the Usurper was truly natural born, then what is the big friggin deal with his original BC? Just show the damn thing, for goshsakes. Clearly, he wanted to end the rumors, because he created a fightthesmears site to address this. So why go to that trouble, and not show this document? Instead, he has it sealed, and he is paying thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight this, even though he could have shown this 10 dollar document in the first place and solve it once and for all?
Does that sound like sane behavior to you?
Until he proves it, he is an Usurper. At the very least, prove it to our soldiers, who risk their lives going into harms way, and they deserve to know that their CIC is eligibile. But, he refuses. What kind of monster is that?
A lying, disgusting, corrupt, racist piece of Usurping trash.
Define what COLB stands for...
Does it stand for "Certificate of Live Birth" or,
Does it stand for "Certification of Live Birth"?
And before you answer, look at the attached PDF file from the CDC. It's the guiding document for states to use when they create their proprietary form. Read the document's title.
"U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth (2003 revision)"
A long form Birth Certificate, as it is sometimes called is a "Certificate of Live Birth".
You seen this yet ping?
You have to believe that in a jerk water country you could spread some money around and get good information. You could say the same thing about Hawaii.
Yes...
Keep ‘em coming.
I totally agree with you here. There has to be someone out there willing to talk if the price is right. And another thing, why hasn’t the grandmother’s avidavit been posted anywhere? I’ve been hearing about it, but I’ve never seen it listed.
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