Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)

Bliefnet ^ | June 1, 2009 | Steven Waldman

[Zakeet]

I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.

First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.

SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.

Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.

Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:

upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...

jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?

Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:

imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.

calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.

Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.

TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)

Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.

SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...

Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.

Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.

UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?

steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?

eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.

353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.

mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.

and from another thread:

Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.

Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?

Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.

stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.

and this thread:

Lexington Green:
What goes around...

newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.

wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil

Sloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.

The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.

wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.

whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.

P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.

mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.

tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.

gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.

MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.

[trisham]

That’s the point. They are or should be upsetting to everyone, and please don’t swear at me.

[trisham]

I could not agree more.

[P-Marlowe]

I think killing this doctor is as equally disgusting and wrong

Equally?

Tiller.......................... 60,000
Buchenwald.............. 56,000
Dachau...................... 36,000
Osama Bin Laden........3500
Ted Bundy........................35
Roeder ................................1

[Stentor]

Actually, I care very much what scum bag leftists are able say that is believable to the broader middle. You know, the folks they pulled over the cliff with them last November? If you don't also care about that, then you have no clue how politics works. When a scumbag leftist only has to spend a little time perusing this site to extract the mother load of foolishness that he did, I care very much.

The broader middle is not recoverable. Time to stop worrying about PR. When the leftist zombies and the mentally and emotionally deficient middle reach a tipping point on the violation of human rights, (that time will be here when the people decide) then the only response will be force. Hey, maybe you can reason with them.

[Shaun_MD]

What do you want me to say? That I think shooting a man because he performs abortions is justified? I’m sorry I just can’t do it.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I do not approve of murder, whether OF Tiller or BY Tiller. That being said, the fact is that he represented one third of the late term baby killers in the country. Whatever other obstetricians think of his death it was not an inducement for them to join in his activities, lest they get the same consequences.

[xzins]

One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

I guess "right wing" means "not being sorry when a murderer is killed."

[muawiyah]

You are absolutely and totally paranoic today. I am not Guido. He’s not even my cousin.

[muawiyah]

She’s such a sweetheart I’m sure. Anyone know who the fathers are?

[GreyMountainReagan]

Excellent post. Thanks.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

the way some people are conducting themselves.

How do you know how Freepers are conducting themselves. Me, I only know what they post, or, occasionally, Freepmail.

[muawiyah]

When they've finally driven us to the barricades I was thinking Minn would make such a great negotiator. Just run out there with a white flag and talk.

Think Obama and his evil minions would slow down and discuss stuff.

[xzins]

America has lots of occupations.

Tiller's involved sucking the brains out of living human babies, salinating their brains by sticking needles through them, or dismembering their tiny little bodies.

I couldn't even fake being sorry that Tiller is dead.

[muawiyah]

BTW, the pro-life movement didn't send anybody out to kill Tiller. I hope you understand that. For awhile there he was definitely giving RTL a great press ~ he was not only a killer, he liked to be in the news, and he liked to make threats. No one could feel safe with this guy on the loose.

It's not likely we'll see his equal in our time.

[muawiyah]

You can consider Holder’s Justice Department as a “hate group” in fact. He’s absolutely the worst person ever in the top job over there. Guy is out of control.

[Shaun_MD]

“BTW, the pro-life movement didn’t send anybody out to kill Tiller. I hope you understand that.”

I do.

[muawiyah]

The opposition is willing to make up stuff and has done so many times. For example, way back in October/November 2001 you had Planned Parenthood "making up" some really strange letters that they sent out to their donors ~ if you didn't read the fine print at the bottom of the back of the pamphlet you'd have thought someone had just sent you anthrax through the mail.

Justice Department ordinarily prosecutes people who do that. PP sent out HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of such letters.

Still waiting on the otherwise family man and good Catholic running USPS, PMG Potter, to file a complaint on it and start sticking those people in prison where they belong.

The rot started at the top a long time ago, and some of the rottenest people in the game think they are pure. yet, they do the bidding of the opposition.

[Shaun_MD]

Conducting themselves forum wise.

[muawiyah]

At the moment aren't the only sources of the story about what happened the people present in that church where Tiller met his doom?

How do we know they are telling the truth ~ after all, they were using America's most notorious abortionist as an usher.

I doubt any of them can be successfully sworn in when it comes down to it ~

Eric is going to make a deal with Roeder Fur Shur.

[a fool in paradise]

Where were these leftists investigations of the web when they were making racist cartoons of Condi Rice and making death threats on our troops and President Bush?

Oh wait, they are silent on the jihadist who killed US military stateside as well.