Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)

Bliefnet ^ | June 1, 2009 | Steven Waldman

[Zakeet]

I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.

First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.

SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.

Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.

Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:

upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...

jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?

Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:

imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.

calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.

Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.

TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)

Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.

SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...

Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.

Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.

UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?

steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?

eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.

353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.

mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.

and from another thread:

Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.

Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?

Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.

stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.

and this thread:

Lexington Green:
What goes around...

newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.

wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil

Sloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.

The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.

wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.

whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.

P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.

mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.

tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.

gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.

MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.

[babygene]

“Those pictures are extremely upsetting to me as well “

They damn well should be upsetting to everyone, however that’s what’s abortion os all about.

My guess would be that they would of been upsetting to the mother of that little kid who’s head Jeff showed us as well. Perhaps if the mother of the child had viewed pictures like that, the little kid would be alive...

[Shaun_MD]

Maybe, but that is for God to decide. I will not celebrate the taking of anyone’s life and I find it very disgusting and telling that others would.

[muawiyah]

Not enough. You must first grab them by their hearts and their minds will follow. Leftwingtards figure they can interpret any amendment into whatever they wish it to be.

[dennisw]

Due to his (Tiller’s) extensive record as a killer I don’t play that game. Why play dhimmi to the liberals and their media? This is what they want, submission

BTW I am not a super pro-lifer. I just don’t like being bullied by the media

[HiTech RedNeck]

Well, Dorothy didn’t mean to splash the Wicked Witch of the West, but that doesn’t mean Dorothy isn’t any the less glad that Ding Dong the Witch is Dead!

[prismsinc]

Now, of that count, what tri-mester were these abortions performed?

Tiller 1st...............25,000
Tiller 2nd..............25,000
Tiller 3rd...............10,000
Roeder 272nd......1

[dennisw]

Does this mean your are in mourning for Tiller? No, it means you are detached and neutral

[Glenn]

I am not a super pro-lifer.

I did not realize there are gradations.

[calex59]

Thank you. From what I’ve seen over the past few weeks, I’m about ready to opus myself out of here.

Bye bye..

[P-Marlowe]

Well, Dorothy didn’t mean to splash the Wicked Witch of the West, but that doesn’t mean Dorothy isn’t any the less glad that Ding Dong the Witch is Dead!

Tiller: Where am I?
St. Peter: You're not in Kansas anymore. Go to hell.

[bdeaner]

You're wrong buddy. PICTURES TELL A MILLION WORDS.

I was pro-choice, and a liberal, until I saw my son's sonograph at 3 months. To this day, many years later, he has the exact same facial profile I saw in the image on the monitor. I remember the sonograph every time I see his profile. No words could have equalled the power of this realization.

Clearly you are upset by the images. Well, that is the point. If you get upset at the sight of evil, that tells me you are still human.

I strongly believe the photographs are absolutely necessary and are a powerful statement. I fully support the posting of these images and I strongly encourage their use in protests of the abortion industry.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Tiller specialized in these 3rd trimester killings, which almost nobody else wanted to do.

[beckysueb]

Excuse me while I butt in. Why is it that just because someone has been here longer that makes them better than “newbies”? How long do we have to be a member of FR before we are officially off the “newbie” list and what makes us suddenly smarter the moment we are allowed off the hated “newbie” list? Now go ahead and tear into me, I don’t care anymore.

[bdeaner]

My guess would be that they would of been upsetting to the mother of that little kid who’s head Jeff showed us as well. Perhaps if the mother of the child had viewed pictures like that, the little kid would be alive...

Well said.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Some pray about it, others go down and frantically wave bloody photos at their local abortuary.

[Shaun_MD]

No it means I'm a human being who detests hypocrisy. But hey, who am I kidding right? A man was gunned down in Church. Party at my place to celebrate.

[dennisw]

There are gradations. Third term abortions are an abomination and many pro-choice people hate them. You can say abortion is abortion but some make a distinction between early and late abortions. In Tiller’s case very late

You take a poll and I’ll bet 75% of Americans are against KillerTiller style abortions

[prismsinc]

So, are you saying my numbers should revised like this?

Tiller 3rd.....................60,000
Roeder 272nd.......................1

[HiTech RedNeck]

If this was a chicken wing or a steak, nobody would be complaining.

[prismsinc]

So, are you saying my numbers should be revised, like this?

Tiller 3rd.....................60,000
Roeder 272nd.......................1