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National Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look; Rahm Emanuel's brother advises 10% VAT...
Washington Post ^ | 5/27/2009 | Lori Montgomery

Posted on 05/27/2009 5:38:44 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss

With budget deficits soaring and President Obama pushing a trillion-dollar-plus expansion of health coverage, some Washington policymakers are taking a fresh look at a money-making idea long considered politically taboo: a national sales tax.

Common around the world, including in Europe, such a tax -- called a value-added tax, or VAT -- has not been seriously considered in the United States. But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity.

At a White House conference earlier this year on the government's budget problems, a roomful of tax experts pleaded with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner to consider a VAT. A recent flurry of books and papers on the subject is attracting genuine, if furtive, interest in Congress. And last month, after wrestling with the White House over the massive deficits projected under Obama's policies, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee declared that a VAT should be part of the debate.

"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy
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To: demoskowitz

Zero and Gibbs:

“See, these stupid “Tea Baggers” did not realize they got taxes back....”

This is very painful, especially when I talk to my friends that work for the government... they continue to say “We have to pay off the mistakes of the previous administration some how...”. Please, move on....

This has gone beyond the “see, I told you this administration is bad...” to, please stop this, I can’t take it anymore!


101 posted on 05/27/2009 6:38:59 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"A VAT is a tax on the transfer of goods and services that ultimately is borne by the consumer. Highly visible, it would increase the cost of just about everything,"

This is a big lie. There is nothing visible about a VAT.

102 posted on 05/27/2009 6:39:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The box is broke. You don't have any choice now but to think outside of it.)
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To: demoskowitz

Liberal insanity... ugly and dumb.


103 posted on 05/27/2009 6:41:16 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: dirtboy

Excellent post.

This is my rallying cry:

1. Stop SPENDING our money (except on national defense)
2. Stop SENDING our money abroad
3. Stop TAKING our money

It’s funny how the simplest of rules are the hardest to follow.


104 posted on 05/27/2009 6:41:55 AM PDT by mattdono (The platform I want: Stop spending my money. Stop sending my money. Stop taking my money.)
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To: EternalVigilance

The tax may not be visible, but boy, those consequences sure will be!!! Riots in the streets, ‘disgruntled youths’ torching cars, cats and dogs living together—CHAOS!!

Which is exactly what some of these domestic terrorists want, but thank GOD the majority of Americans don’t!

But touch someone’s wallet or pocketbook, boy, you had better watch out or you’ll pull back a stub, like my daddy used to say!!


105 posted on 05/27/2009 6:42:20 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: demoskowitz

Oh look, another article reminding me it’s time to buy more ammo.


106 posted on 05/27/2009 6:42:31 AM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: Sir Gawain

Shoot, you gun clingers shure are funny! ;-)


107 posted on 05/27/2009 6:43:15 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48

Well, maybe. But their hope is that through the VAT they can avoid all that. The tax is invisible to the consumer.


108 posted on 05/27/2009 6:44:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The box is broke. You don't have any choice now but to think outside of it.)
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To: pillut48
You do realize you’ll be double taxed for all of those items? ;-)

Alright...that did it!


109 posted on 05/27/2009 6:44:18 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: demoskowitz
And the fairtaxers rejoice!!!!

We will get what we always feared, both an income tax and a sales tax.....

110 posted on 05/27/2009 6:44:18 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Obadiah

Those ultra sophisticated Europeans are paying 18% sales tax. In my old country at least. We’ll get up to that too. Just wait. Socialism is a lovely concept, don’t you think? /s


111 posted on 05/27/2009 6:44:33 AM PDT by bergmeid
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To: demoskowitz

Welfare folks exempt??


112 posted on 05/27/2009 6:46:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: EternalVigilance

It will be visible as hell once people understand why prices are going up.


113 posted on 05/27/2009 6:48:24 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: EternalVigilance

Yes, but even the dumbest neandertal out there will notice prices jumping up drastically, while their paychecks stay the same—I remember inflation from years ago, and while the majority of Americans apparently have a very short memory about it, they WILL wake up when they find a loaf of bread costing $5 and a gallon of milk costing $10!

I’m telling you, there will be riots. I may start buying stock in sign making materials because there’s going to be a run on Home Depot and Lowe’s to make “IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!” signs for those riots! ;-)


114 posted on 05/27/2009 6:48:54 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pleikumud
Fair-taxers should get it into their heads that this is never going to happen. As easy as it sounds it is ridiculous to consider that the government will be ‘prebating’ a check to everybody in the country in order to allow for a VAT or point of sale tax. It is much more likely that a flatter and fairer tax with limited deductions would be easier and much more efficient too not only sell to the American people but to enact.

A good example of a fairer flatter tax would be close to what the Republicans are pushing for now, a voluntary two tier tax. 10% on all income up to $100,000 and a 25% tax on all income above $100,000. This coupled with generous personal deductions of around $12,500 per family member linked to inflating would allow a family of 4 who gross $100K pay 10% taxes on $50,000 after personal deductions.
This plus a massive overhaul; of government workforce, including the privatization, an outright elimination of large swaths of the federal government would solve many of the problems

115 posted on 05/27/2009 6:49:54 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town
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To: cbkaty

Sorry, Sam, have you paid your extra taxes for ammo (not to mention the registration fee and individual bullet taxes for cataloging each individual bullet with the state, local and federal authorities) AND for the higher cost of registering your guns with the local, state and federal gubmint?! ;-)

[runs]


116 posted on 05/27/2009 6:51:07 AM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Sir Gawain

It is too late, hard to come by any if at all.

Awaiting another 500 rds of 9MM Speer Gold Dots today though.

Vince


117 posted on 05/27/2009 6:52:24 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Always Right
And the fairtaxers rejoice!!!!

I know "FairTaxers" all over America, and none of them that I'm aware of supports a VAT.

As for me, I'll oppose a VAT just as strenuously as I oppose the current Stupid Tax.

118 posted on 05/27/2009 6:52:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The box is broke. You don't have any choice now but to think outside of it.)
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119 posted on 05/27/2009 6:55:17 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Slapshot68
What’s the plan when the rich decide to pull up stakes and leave this country?

Close the borders........................

120 posted on 05/27/2009 6:55:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (If Keynesian economics worked, Zimbabwe would be a superpower.......................)
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