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National Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look; Rahm Emanuel's brother advises 10% VAT...
Washington Post ^ | 5/27/2009 | Lori Montgomery

Posted on 05/27/2009 5:38:44 AM PDT by GreaterSwiss

With budget deficits soaring and President Obama pushing a trillion-dollar-plus expansion of health coverage, some Washington policymakers are taking a fresh look at a money-making idea long considered politically taboo: a national sales tax.

Common around the world, including in Europe, such a tax -- called a value-added tax, or VAT -- has not been seriously considered in the United States. But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity.

At a White House conference earlier this year on the government's budget problems, a roomful of tax experts pleaded with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner to consider a VAT. A recent flurry of books and papers on the subject is attracting genuine, if furtive, interest in Congress. And last month, after wrestling with the White House over the massive deficits projected under Obama's policies, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee declared that a VAT should be part of the debate.

"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."

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To: TheRake

Not to mention most cities & states are increasing taxes too...


41 posted on 05/27/2009 5:54:55 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Slapshot68

There will be a large number of folks renaming themselves John Galt.


42 posted on 05/27/2009 5:55:14 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: unixfox

Yes


43 posted on 05/27/2009 5:57:56 AM PDT by marbren
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Government already knows all too well how to make money. That’s the problem.

They have no idea how to create wealth, only how to destroy it.


44 posted on 05/27/2009 5:58:06 AM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: demoskowitz
They can consider whatever they want but they cannot take more capital out of the system in a recession...period! They have only one choice, lighten the load until the economy improves.

In the end, spending will have to be cut (just like in California).

45 posted on 05/27/2009 5:58:28 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: pgkdan
Guess I'm just too fricken frustrated at the moment, but it seems to me some things are clear.

The government will never have enough of our money. Taxes will always go up.
What's left of our freedoms will vanish.
It's just a matter of time.

46 posted on 05/27/2009 5:58:32 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: demoskowitz

All animals are equal, but those with the White House,
and those with relatives in the US Congress,
and those who do not pay taxes but are high-level Democrats
are much more equal than others.


47 posted on 05/27/2009 5:58:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: demoskowitz

Why should I listen to Rahm Emanuel’s brother? Are we getting extended families in the Administration now? That’s okay for third-World dictatorships.


48 posted on 05/27/2009 5:58:54 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: pgkdan

Just last night I was talking to my neighbor and told him that today more Americans want a cold bowl of gruel handed to them by the government than to have to go out and cook a fat steak for themselves. It is so sad, but that sentiment is deepening in our national consciousness.


49 posted on 05/27/2009 5:58:56 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: demoskowitz
IMO this is great. It is overreach, pure and simple, the kind of overreach that led to the GOP wins in 1994. They are taking off their masks and showing they will tax the crap out of EVERYONE, not just the top 5 percent. And if they can't pass tax increases in California, what makes them think they can pass a massive tax increase at the federal level?

Folks, the upcoming political fault line is between government employees and the private sector employees. This proposed VAT is meant to feed the government unions beast. The ONLY way to turn this country around is to make massive cuts in the number of government employees, along with their bennies. And it will take citizen scrutiny to make sure the cuts are in the fat, and not in the sectors of government that actually do something useful, such as police and fire and military and border security. Otherwise, we're just going to become the United States of Argentina.

50 posted on 05/27/2009 5:59:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Riodacat
And where are they going to go?

Lots of nice apartments in Dubai, and lots of consumers in India and China.

51 posted on 05/27/2009 6:00:23 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: demoskowitz

Love the VAT idea. ONLY people who BUY THINGS pay it.
We sure don’t need an economic recovery that is predicated on people BUYING THINGS and CREATING JOBS - do we?

John Galt clears his throat.


52 posted on 05/27/2009 6:01:02 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: demoskowitz

A better plan is the FairTax — see www.fairtax.org

This calls for repeal of the federal income tax, closing down the IRS. Instead, we would have a national retail sales tax on services and new goods (not used goods). There would be no taxes deducted from payroll (including no Social Security tax and no Medicare tax). A system of “prebates” paid monthly would level the playing field for those with low incomes. Some 60,000 pages of IRS rules, regulations, instructions and forms would be trashed.
The national sales tax would be collected by the States, using their existing mechanisms.

The FairTax would result in unprecedented economic growth.


53 posted on 05/27/2009 6:01:45 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: MaryFromMichigan

Some of the time I am of the opinion that we should encourage the government to do even more foolish things with the idea in mind that the sooner they break they system totally, the sooner we can get on with the rebuilding.

Then I think of how many will perish and I reconsider.


54 posted on 05/27/2009 6:01:58 AM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: livius

This is absurd. Someone stop the merry go round I want off.


55 posted on 05/27/2009 6:02:14 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Pearls Before Swine
They'll change it slightly, to "95% of taxpayers will get an income tax cut." As in Animal Farm, only a few animals will notice the difference.

They would certainly notice a VAT tax if enacted, but by then it would be harder to do anything about it.

56 posted on 05/27/2009 6:02:18 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Post of the day!


57 posted on 05/27/2009 6:02:18 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/)
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To: demoskowitz

Fine, no more income tax and go with a VAT tax.

I would rather 100% of people pay than 50% anyway, and watching the election results after they did it would be fun to see.


58 posted on 05/27/2009 6:03:50 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: yldstrk
"Guess what? There is no better way to put a freeze on consumer spending than a value added tax. Dumb idiots."

Exactly. Want to kill a consumer-led recovery? Raise prices by 10%.

Doh!

59 posted on 05/27/2009 6:04:13 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: demoskowitz

The government is corrupt. It stays in power by handing out other people’s money.


60 posted on 05/27/2009 6:07:20 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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