[Travis McGee]

The following is a public service announcement.

Here's my tip of the month: there is still a great pistol and ammo deal out there waiting for you. If you have waited too long to arm up, or if you want one more, look at the excellent milsurp CZ-52 pistol and 7.62X25 Tokarev ammo.

You can get a CZ-52 for about $200 at any gun show or at many gun stores. You can also find them by googling around the internet. The ammo can be had for as low as 11 cents a bullet in any quantity you want. Extra mags are from $12 to $20 each.

The milsurp ammo is full metal jacket, firing an 85gr bullet at 1,600fps. These will go through car doors, kevlar helmets, kevlar vests etc like an icepick through butter. OTOH, they will also go through one bad guy and maybe hit a good guy behind him.

However, you can buy hollowpoints ("Wolf Gold" with brass shells) for about $19/50, or half the price of comparable 9mm JHPs. My test "Wolf Gold" JHP ammo expanded to .60 caliber, the same as my test 9mm JHPs.

So for $400, you could buy a CZ-52, 1,500 rounds of assorted ammo, and a few extra mags. OR, you could buy about 2/3s of a "brand name" pistol, and no ammo.

It's just a thought. This is a great bargain. The ammo is cheap and plentiful at all of the internet catalog sites. Don't wait, the libtards will soon slam the door on foreign gun and ammo imports, and the prices will go way up.

Another benefit of this pistol is that it is very accurate, with very fine sights. WIth this flat-shooting ammo, you can hit at 100 yards with ease. Downsides are brittle firing pins (buy a spare, and don't dry fire) and a decocking function that you should not trust. Just lower the SA hammer like a 1911. The safety works like a 1911, so if you are used to 1911s, it will be very easy to use the CZ-52

[vladimir998]

Travis,

You ruined it. I thought I was the only one who figured out that 7.62 x 25 was a great buy.

Now everyone will know!!!

[El Gato]

Do you think that the CZ-52 might be "too much" for a woman who is not a regular shooter, has relativley small hands with short fingers, and has heretofore only fired .22 pistols (specifically Colt Woodsman and S&W 422, the latter is a pretty light alloy framed gun.)

If so, or even if not, what do you think of the CZ-82 or Polish P64, both in 9x18?

If I didn't like it so much, I'd just give her my M-1 Carbine. I just bought 1,000 rounds for it, and would like to shoot some of 'em.

[Technogeeb]

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[Frantzie]

Thanks for the tip. The CZ-75 (9mm) is like a freaking target pistol it is so accurate. CZ’s new guns are not cheap either.

The Czechs even under communism made some pretty good stuff including beer, guns, crystal plus the women are hot.

[WoofDog123]

worth noting, if my memory works, that the cz52 firing pin does NOT like being dry fired, and can break much more easily than is considered normal for a military weapon. (I do own one, quite a kick and rather loud..:)

But yeah, 7.62 Tokarev is still in easy supply from what I can tell. I assume there aren’t many PPSh’s around...

[Sundog]

Thank you for that excellent description.

[Spktyr]

Still doesn’t make sense when for only a little more you can get a Browning High Power clone of better quality.

That doesn’t depend on a fragile importation system for parts and ammo.

[Eagles6]

You’re right about the pistol and ammo. Very good deal right now.

[Ancesthntr]

That CZ can also be a tool that can be used, in the appropriate circumstances, to acquire more modern hardware. Here’s my story:

About 15 years ago, a friend and I were visiting an older, Vietnam-vet acquaintance who lived nearby and shared our dedication to, and love for, liberty. When we found out that he had only one pistol and an old SMLE with a few dozen rounds of ammo, we started razzing him about it. “What about an M1A or an AR? Why do you have so little in the way of ammo?” His response will live with me forever: “You guys don’t know the history of warfare very well, do you? Idiots, don’t you know that the SMLE was once the best combat rifle in existence? If fires a .30 caliber bullet at well over 2,000 FPS, and it does so accurately for hundreds of yards. It’ll go through anything except a Level IIIA vest, and people wearing them are both slow and few in number. Guys, I don’t need to stockpile weapons or ammo - because the gun store is coming to my front door, or if I have enough warning of an impending visit, I’ll go hunting for it a couple miles away.”

The point being that most any handgun or rifle ever issued to any army will kill people with ease. The older stuff is generally more reliable, as the engineering was geared toward imperfect maintanence and lots of abouse by ill-educated peasants. Old isn’t, in other words, bad. Nor is ugly (even fugly). Foreign isn’t, either. Sometimes, those old foreign weapons are downright nasty and indestructible (like the MN-91s and SKS rifles, for instance, or the SMLE). Buy what you can that WORKS, and then practice a LOT with it - such may save your life someday.

[logos]

What is enough?

[matthew fuller]

Thanks for posting this info!

[ChildOfThe60s]

Bump for further investigation