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E.P.A.’s Greenhouse Gas Proposal Critiqued (Debunked)
New York Times ^ | May 12, 2009 | John M. Broder

Posted on 05/12/2009 12:49:39 PM PDT by reaganaut1

The [EPA] ignored major economic and scientific questions in its April proposal to regulate carbon dioxide and other climate-altering gases, according to an internal government critique.

The undated and unsigned government memo, prepared by the White House Office of Management and Budget, said that the proposed finding that greenhouse gases endanger public health and welfare was not based on a systematic analysis of costs and benefits and fell short of scientific rigor on a number of issues.

It also said that the E.P.A.’s proposal to regulate carbon dioxide under the Clean Air Act would have “serious economic consequences for regulated entities throughout the U.S. economy, including small businesses and small communities.”

The document also raised questions about the E.P.A.’s inclusion of gases that are believed to contribute to global warming without proving that they have direct health effects.

The memo reflects views from unnamed officials within the government as part of an inter-agency review of the proposed regulation. Some of the objections mirror criticism of the proposed E.P.A. action from Republicans and business lobbies who say that the Clean Air Act is the wrong instrument to attack global warming and such regulation will have devastating effects on the economy.

Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming, waved the nine-page document at Lisa P. Jackson at a hearing of the Environment and Public Works committee this morning. He called it a “smoking gun” that proved the proposed finding was based on politics, not science.

“This misuse of the Clean Air Act will be a trigger for overwhelming regulation and lawsuits based on gases emitted from cars, schools, hospitals and small business,” Mr. Barrasso said. “This will affect any number of other sources, including lawn mowers, snowmobiles and farms. This will be a disaster for the small businesses that drive America.”

(Excerpt) Read more at greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barrasso; globalwarming; ombwarming
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Can someone PLEASE give me a link to the OMB memo mentioned here. I searched the OMB site and did not find it.
1 posted on 05/12/2009 12:49:39 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

wow...can’t believe this is from The Slimes.


2 posted on 05/12/2009 12:52:49 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68

I think they are realizing that lack of truth will be/is their demise


3 posted on 05/12/2009 12:55:10 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: reaganaut1

Is this it?

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/carbon20090512.pdf


4 posted on 05/12/2009 12:56:14 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: reaganaut1

Someone, please slap me.


5 posted on 05/12/2009 12:57:47 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: reaganaut1
She said much of the analysis behind the proposed finding had been done before she assumed office in January.

Bush's fault.

6 posted on 05/12/2009 12:58:09 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: reaganaut1
But it does accomplish the overwhelming goal to waste as much of the taxpayers money as possible while receiving the least benefit.
7 posted on 05/12/2009 1:01:17 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: reaganaut1

Haven’t found that, but there is THIS:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/05/12/ClearingtheAir/


8 posted on 05/12/2009 1:03:41 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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Same political BS as the 2nd hand smoke report. It’s time to sunset all programs, departments and spending that is not enumerted in the constitution.


9 posted on 05/12/2009 1:04:49 PM PDT by devistate one four (I will run to the sound of gunfire! TET68)
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To: ontap
EPA Headquarters has toilets. There are greenhouse gases in there. It seems to me that someone could file a suit against the subagency within EPA that controls the building (liaison with GSA probably) and get the cans shut down immediately pending appropriate review.

If the support services are provided by a contractor the suit should be lodged against them as well ~ that way all janitorial services can be withdrawn from the facility.

I can think of a host of other things that could be asked of a court along these lines.

10 posted on 05/12/2009 1:06:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut1

This is another (if not final) nail in cap and trade’s coffin....and that is a big deal, because Obama was counting on that $600 billion tax increase to fund healthcare. Thus, cap and trade going down endangers another socialist utopian goal of Obama’s: government-run communist healthcare.


11 posted on 05/12/2009 1:14:35 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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“I think they are realizing that lack of truth will be/is their demise”

If so, the realization is coming much too late, like the boy who cried “Wolf!” way too often.

First off, though carbon dioxide MAY have some effect on the climate, it pales into insignificance when compared to water vapor, which has an effect from some twenty times to as much as one hundred times the effect on the temperature of the atmosphere, compared to that of CO2. First off, simply because there is so MUCH water vapor, at any given time and under any given set of circumstances, as compared to CO2. Also water has some very peculiar characteristics NOT shared with carbon dioxide, in that it may exist in any of three different states of matter, somewht dependent on temperature, that does not happen with carbon dioxide.

Has anybody ever seen liquid carbon dioxide? It cannot exist except under special conditions of pressure and temperature, like some six times the normal atmospheric temperature of that which exists at sea level on Earth. The very fact that water exists as a liquid between the temperatures of 32 degrees Fahrenheit and 212 degrees Fahrenheit, is what makes life on earth possible in the first place. Also water has a very high specific heat index, much higher, for example, than most metals or non-metallic substances, and in fact, is the standard by which most other materials are measured. To pass from solid form ice to liquid form requires the input of a prodigious amount of energy, and to pass from liquid to water vapor requires about nine times more energy to change than the melting of ice. Even warming water up requires much more heat for each degree of temperature than warming up the same mass (weight) of most other substances. Conversely, to COOL the various forms of water dow requires that the equivalent amount of heat energy be RELEASED. And where is this energy released to? It radiates off the dark side of the earth when faced away from the sun.

So the cycle is largely self-correcting, with or without the assistance of mankind. Anthropogenic global warming (or cooling) is a myth, like the power of kings to command the tide.

However, we may harness this natural cycle of global warming (or cooling) to our benefit, and up to now, we have been carrying out a pretty respectable job of doing just that. Any carbon dioxide produced by the combustion of hydrocarbons (petroleum, coal and natural gas) is quickly taken up by growing green plants, with the net effect of keeping the average concentration of carbon dioxide at sea level to less than 400 parts per million. Below about 250 parts per million, is the starvation level for green growing plants, and without the CO2, they will wither and die.


12 posted on 05/12/2009 1:31:57 PM PDT by alloysteel (When the chips are down - the buffalo is empty.)
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wow.......where did ya learn all that?I printed it to support my argument.


13 posted on 05/12/2009 1:49:17 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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FReepmail me to get on or off

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14 posted on 05/12/2009 2:06:54 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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He called it a “smoking gun” that proved the proposed finding was based on politics, not science.

Wow. The EPA playing politics!!!! Who would have thunk it. < /s >

15 posted on 05/12/2009 2:38:07 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: devistate one four
“Same political BS as the 2nd hand smoke report. It’s time to sunset all programs, departments and spending that is not enumerted in the constitution.”

Yeah, good luck getting that one out of committee!

16 posted on 05/12/2009 3:01:48 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: reaganaut1; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

17 posted on 05/12/2009 3:36:45 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Lady Thatcher)
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To: savedbygrace; Sidebar Moderator

The memo is linked in Post#4. The WH attempt to refute its importance is linked in Post#8.

SideBar Moderator: this issue has NOT been “debunked” - it simply has been refuted by WH damage control attempts. After reading this memo, I believe that it is a very illustrative, despite the denials of the WH/EPA here, and I think the title should be changed back to the original, without “debunked”


18 posted on 05/12/2009 4:01:52 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: I got the rope
Is this it?
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/carbon20090512.pdf

Yes.

19 posted on 05/12/2009 4:04:57 PM PDT by CedarDave (Not new news: Obama has Pork Flu)
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To: reaganaut1

PING for EPA critique


20 posted on 05/12/2009 4:17:24 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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