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Pentagon to end F-22 production
The Hill ^ | April 6, 2009 | Roxana Tiron

Posted on 04/06/2009 10:52:31 AM PDT by jazusamo

In a blow to Lockheed Martin, the Pentagon has decided to purchase to end funding of the F-22 fighter jet.

The decision by Defense Secretary Robert Gates will rouse widespread opposition in Congress and is likely to bog down the 2010 budget approval process, with F-22 supporters maneuvering to secure more money.

The Pentagon will fund four of the radar-evading stealth fighters in the upcoming 2009 emergency war-spending request, but those additional aircraft will do little to keep the production line in Marietta, Ga., open beyond 2011. Lockheed Martin is the main contractor for the F-22, each of which costs about $140 million.

Gates announced the decision at a press conference on the Defense budget on Monday afternoon.

No money will be requested in the fiscal 2010 budget, congressional and industry sources familiar with the budget briefings told The Hill. Gates has been making calls to the chairmen of the congressional defense committees.

The final F-22 of the 183 currently on order will be delivered at the end of 2011. Building another four would keep the line open for only a few months beyond that end date.

Lockheed Martin and its subcontractors, including Boeing, in recent weeks have stepped up their campaign to keep the production line open. They argue that 25,000 people work directly for the 1,000 suppliers of the F-22 in 44 states, and another 70,000 indirectly owe their jobs to this program.


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To: ohioman

indeed I have just read his/her past posts.

astounding to say the least


221 posted on 04/06/2009 12:42:52 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: EGPWS
We need to find a fighter design that can do mach 3...

Mach 3... are you serious? That would be flying waaay too fast... Must keep sub-sonic... you're destroying Mother Earth at those speeds....

222 posted on 04/06/2009 12:43:37 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: RFEngineer

Air superiority over Russia and China.


223 posted on 04/06/2009 12:43:56 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: norton

A guns fight is a significant reason of UCAVs.
A plane that can pull 10-15 Gs, or more, will have the advantage in a guns-only fight.

With missiles, it doesn’t matter so much.

The problem is situational awareness for the “pilot” sitting in a trailer. He currently can’t swivel his head to track the target, so they’ll probably have to put a gimble inside the cockpit with binocular vision.


224 posted on 04/06/2009 12:44:49 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: manc

Let’s not get overly excited.

There will be future aircraft that are superior to the F-22. Guys, they are being designed and tested as we write back and forth to each other. No one I know wants to endanger the U.S.


225 posted on 04/06/2009 12:44:54 PM PDT by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: Professor_Leonide
"...,so I really resent being called a DUmmy."

So you won't post facts or sources regarding your contentions only your feelings and what you think?

Those are grounds for being called out as a troll and DUer

What service were you in, because you obviously didn't learn that each service has its OWN part of board to control so that the other can get its job done.

Again, the F-22 was not, is not designed to blow up ragheads in some god-forsaken sand box. It's job is to shoot down as many enemy fighters as it can so that ground forces can do their jobs without worrying about enemy aircraft.

If, as you claim, you served 20, you are part of the DS/DS era vets. You must not have paid attention to how the USAF didn't "care about the other services" for the first few weeks of the war before the Army and Marines finally rolled in on Kuwait and Iraq. SZ

226 posted on 04/06/2009 12:44:58 PM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
The articles that I have read said that the F-35 in conjunction with the F-22 were to replace the F-16 Falcons for the Air Force. It must do some of the same things for that to be the case. Again, we can only go by what we've read.

Fortunately I have been following the F-22 since the 80's and don't have to rely on a few poor articles. The F-22 is intended to replace the F-15 (mainly the variants not tasked for strike). The F-35 is intended to replace the F-15.

While there is some overlap in missions between the 15 and 16 they are intended for different roles. Fighters are like passenger jets in a way. For some routes you need small planes to carry a few people a short way and for some routes you want a large plane to go a very long way. And there are routes for everything in between.

Fighter aircraft perform a variety of missions. Some are better than others at certain ones. Just because one CAN do the mission of the other does not mean you get rid of the other if it is optimized for that mission. Just as not airlines flight a bigger plane for a heavily used route instead of flying a lot of small planes.

Warfare is complex. It amazes me how many folks thing it is simply a matter of weapon system X being 'better' than weapon system Y.
227 posted on 04/06/2009 12:45:14 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: jazusamo

Well.... so much for stimulating the American economy by creating living wage jobs. Maybe they can all be re-trained for green energy work! Or... maybe next time those union folk will vote War Hawk Republican...


228 posted on 04/06/2009 12:45:19 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: jazusamo

Perhaps the dollars saved will go to buying additional transport planes to shuttle the obnoxious Acorn maggots
to conduct their bogus census counting.


229 posted on 04/06/2009 12:45:28 PM PDT by Yorktownpatriot (Greetings from Yorktown..the cradle of our Republic! Let's keep it!)
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To: jazusamo

Wow, there is something that costs too damned much even by Obama’s standards. Freedom and liberty being the hill too high to climb...


230 posted on 04/06/2009 12:45:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: Professor_Leonide
I just think the Air Force doesn’t care about the other services

Funny, I'm in the AF and used to fly in an aircraft that supported CFLCC ISR taskings and I had a couple of Army enlisted troops right next to me.

We also had a MARLO (Marine Liaison Officer) on board.

231 posted on 04/06/2009 12:46:22 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: NormsRevenge

With Zer0 in there it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s Bawney. I don’t have a clue who the turkey will pick.


232 posted on 04/06/2009 12:46:29 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Professor_Leonide; All

Right and Japan will never bomb Pearl Harbor..


233 posted on 04/06/2009 12:47:25 PM PDT by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
While holding your powder, why not ask the pilots who take them into combat what they think? Ask them how old "their" airplane is. Ask them what they think they'll have to fight next year, 5 years from now or a decade or so and ask them what they'd like to be flying against it. Don't be too surprised if they tell you "Raptor!"

If they're not flying fighters, then ask them what they want to have watching their backs. I bet you get the same answer.

Believe what you want to, but the F-22 is the real deal. I liked the YF-23 better, but the military didn't see it that way.

234 posted on 04/06/2009 12:49:06 PM PDT by GBA
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To: texmexis best
Dan Patrick, a Texas State Legislator, was in DC this last weekend. He said: “There are no foreclosure signs in DC.”

Y'all just said a mouthful. DC is a foreign country these days...

235 posted on 04/06/2009 12:49:23 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: tyke
What's really simple minded is the belief that full scale war between nuclear powers could ever be conducted with some medieval-style code of honor or enlightened self-interest that would keep nuclear weapons from the battlefield.

It's a shame we wasted all that treasure and effort trying to prove that we could take on the Soviets in Europe. We could have had universal health care by now. What the heck. If the Soviets attacked conventionally we would have had only two choices. Better than the 2 1/2 that being able to respond conventionally gave us.

236 posted on 04/06/2009 12:49:37 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Professor_Leonide

Actually that footage you say you remember from The Gulf War One was of an Army Apache pilot, NOT Air Force. Nice try though. They drifted off course and were cleared hot.

Air Force personnel are routinely getting soldiers killed by friendly fire? Um ok...when you come back to planet Earth be sure and let us know...


237 posted on 04/06/2009 12:50:54 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: Professor_Leonide
Guys, they are being designed and tested as we write back and forth to each other. No one I know wants to endanger the U.S.

Yes, and they are occupying the executive offices presently, guy.

238 posted on 04/06/2009 12:51:05 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: TalonDJ
"The F-35 is intended to replace the F-15."

You probably meant F-16...as well as the F/A-18 and the AV-8B

239 posted on 04/06/2009 12:51:15 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Professor_Leonide
We’ll never lose air superiority.

As long as we don't get into a shooting war with China or some future space capable nation. Take our satellites out and we are back to the Korean war era of air superiority.

240 posted on 04/06/2009 12:51:17 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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