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Culture of conspiracy: The Birthers (mainstream decides to cover)
Politico ^ | 3-1-09 | Ben Smith

Posted on 03/01/2009 8:22:44 AM PST by STARWISE

Bill Clinton had the Vince Foster "murder." George W. Bush had 9/11 Truth. And the new administration has brought with it a new culture of conspiracy: The Birthers.

Out of the gaze of the mainstream and even the conservative media is a flourishing culture of advocates, theorists and lawyers, all devoted to proving that Barack Obama isn't eligible to be president of the United States.

Viewed as irrelevant by the White House, and as embarrassing by much of the Republican Party, the subculture still thrives from the conservative website WorldNetDaily, which claims that some 300,000 people have signed a petition demanding more information on Obama's birth, to Cullman, Alabama, where Sen. Richard Shelby took a question on the subject at a town hall meeting last week.

Their confinement to the fringe hasn't cooled the passion of believers; the obscure New York preacher James Manning turned up at a National Press Club session in December to declare the president "the most notorious criminal in the history not just of America, but of this entire planet."

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; conspiracytheory; eligibility; obama; obamatruthfile; wnd
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To: Big_Monkey

It’s such a hackneyed technique to attempt to squelch thought and speech by claiming that the mere act of questioning is somehow embarrassing. I’m not embarrassed. Let him tell us what hospital he was born in, and this will all go away.


41 posted on 03/01/2009 9:18:34 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: padre35
Perhaps he was born in Hawaii. His mother was an extreme left winger. It would not be unexpected to find that she had Obama adopt the nationality of his step father i.e. Indonesian. That would call his legitimacy as president into question.
42 posted on 03/01/2009 9:19:17 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: El Gato

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!


43 posted on 03/01/2009 9:20:08 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Earthdweller
What is it to you if people ask questions?

It never fails to amaze me how some people are embarrassed for simply asking the birth location question.

The real BC has not been produced. He is hiding it, or it doesn't exist.

If he WAS born in Hawaii, he would produce it and put the subject to rest.

If he wasn't, but the rules made him eligible for POTUS anyway, he would also produce the evidence and the legal argument.

The fact that neither of these has happened implies he was not born in Hawaii and that it does matter.

WHY are questions of eligibility and applying the rules of law a sensitive matter to some conservatives? It seems reasonable to me. I do realize some (on both sides) seem immature in their public presentation, but that is on both sides and should not color either side of the argument.

44 posted on 03/01/2009 9:20:43 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: Revolting cat!

Remember: it’s not news unless they report it.


45 posted on 03/01/2009 9:21:42 AM PST by STARWISE ( They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter))
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To: Canedawg

Sorry. I think I have confused myself. LOL My base question is where the devil is Obama’s real birth certificate?


46 posted on 03/01/2009 9:24:02 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Big_Monkey

No,you are wrong. The short form, which is what he alleges he released, is a certificate saying that there is a birth certificate on file. I have my long form, which says what hospital I was born in, how much I weighed at birth, whether this was my mother’s first live child, etc.

WHAT HOSPITAL WAS HE BORN IN? you don’t know, do you?


47 posted on 03/01/2009 9:24:40 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: padre35
"2. That is an issue because a forgery was posted on the ‘Net by the Koyz Kidz, they were caught, and now the whole thing is in doubt.

This is ridiculous. The REPUBLICAN Governor of the state and the Lt. Governor (the de facto HI Secretary of State) have both said that the Obama Hawaiian birth certificate is LEGITIMATE.

As for "The whole thing could be cleared up", there's nothing TO CLEAR up. The matter has been resolved except for a few bitter clingers.

But it certainly helps the DEMS to be able to paint Republicans and rubes and who are unreasonable and out of touch.

48 posted on 03/01/2009 9:25:57 AM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Earthdweller

They are in fact already working for the commie machine. So there is no need for them to go join them.

I’d just ignore their propaganda and advance our agenda. It must be working or why else would they ping to their Obamaniods at the start of the thread.


49 posted on 03/01/2009 9:26:07 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: SteamShovel

Keep asking questions if you like...it’s still a free country. Personally I think this debate is a loser anyway but to label people who are asking about it is not only an antithesis to free thought it’s also a subtle form of intimidation which begs the question, while is all this necessary? It’s getting ridiculous when the commie moles come out pointing a finger at the people asking questions.


50 posted on 03/01/2009 9:28:53 AM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: STARWISE
Why don't you post an article about Obama's transformation of our culture into his idea of a global socialist utopia? If you were a conservative, and not an Obama paid blogger, you might just do that.

Brown woos Obama on global deal
GORDON BROWN hopes to forge a partnership with President Barack Obama in Washington this week, to call for a “global new deal” to lift the world out of recession.

The prime minister will borrow from the rhetoric of Franklin Roosevelt, who introduced the government-financed New Deal to tackle the US Depression of the 1930s. He will argue that his 21st century “global new deal” will also require public spending on a huge world-wide scale.

Obama thinks he's FDR on steroids. IN NO WAY, under a Constitutional government, can the American taxpayer be forced to pay for the global socialism this plan entails. But since Obama cannot be proven constitutionally eligible for the office, why stop at anything the Constitution prohibits?
51 posted on 03/01/2009 9:29:16 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: freekitty

The last i heard, it was sealed by the governor of Hawaii at The Kenyan’s request, which i find to be a very curious and suspicious occurrence.

I suppose the sealed document is not the same forged document that The Fraud posted previously on his web site.

In a simple car accident lawsuit, the defendant might be asked to produce his driver’s license for inspection, to corroborate his assertion that he had no restrictions on his license (corrective lenses is the obvious one).

A response by his attorney that it was posted on his website a few months ago would evoke a not so sympathetic response from the court.


52 posted on 03/01/2009 9:29:40 AM PST by Canedawg (Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.)
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To: curiosity
"Why, oh why, dear birthers.."

Eat it.


53 posted on 03/01/2009 9:30:30 AM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: kabumpo
"No,you are wrong. The short form, which is what he alleges he released, is a certificate saying that there is a birth certificate on file. I have my long form, which says what hospital I was born in, how much I weighed at birth, whether this was my mother’s first live child, etc.

I'm wrong about what? Again, if the "short form" is good enough for the Department of Defense to fly multi-million dollar, intelligence-critical aircraft, then it's good enough for me.

54 posted on 03/01/2009 9:31:26 AM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: STARWISE

I want to see his transcripts from Harvard and Columbia!


55 posted on 03/01/2009 9:32:11 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Canedawg

You would think people would want to know if he is eligible regardless of those who say we are playing into anyones hands; or whatever.

I really want to know if Obama is eligible.


56 posted on 03/01/2009 9:33:18 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: STARWISE
Ummmmm, but the MSM gave the moonbats credibility, and promoted their beliefs as legitimate.
57 posted on 03/01/2009 9:34:30 AM PST by roses of sharon (Pray Hussein fails!)
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To: Big_Monkey

This is ridiculous. The REPUBLICAN Governor of the state and the Lt. Governor (the de facto HI Secretary of State) have both said that the Obama Hawaiian birth certificate is LEGITIMATE....”

What she actually said was, ‘there is birth certificate on file and she had seen it.’ Short on detail.


58 posted on 03/01/2009 9:34:33 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Canedawg
"The last i heard, it was sealed by the governor of Hawaii at The Kenyan’s request, which i find to be a very curious and suspicious occurrence.

You heard wrong. See post #40.

59 posted on 03/01/2009 9:34:55 AM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
Sorry I must respond.

1. Nobody knows because it hasn't been seen, the one put on the web was an unsigned no information that would be on a real BC.

2. Are you running for President? the one posted is nothing like a BC from that era

provable (in a court of law) that there was blatant voter fraud by the likes of ACORN the recipient of 4.5 billion US Taxpayer funded "stimulus money" if that doesn't cause you to pause then respectfully you are either stoned or stupid

3. Thank your sister for her service from me.

60 posted on 03/01/2009 9:36:52 AM PST by SERE_DOC (Today's politicians, living proof why we have and need a second amendment to the constitution.)
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