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Wreck of HMS Victory 'recovered from Channel'
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 01 Feb 2009 | Jon Swaine

Posted on 02/01/2009 4:24:28 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick

Wreck of HMS Victory 'recovered from Channel' The shipwrecked predecessor to Lord Nelson's HMS Victory, which is thought to contain millions of pounds' worth of gold, is thought to have been found at the bottom of the English Channel. The ship, the fourth of six HMS Victories, sunk with its 1,150 sailors in October 1744 around The Casquets, a group of rocks off the Channel Islands. Among other valuable artefacts, it is thought to contain 100,000 gold coins.

After months of secrecy, Odyssey Marine Exploration, a US company, is expected to confirm on Monday that the ship, codenamed "Legend", that it found in the area in May last year is in fact the Victory.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
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Might be of some interest to some people.
1 posted on 02/01/2009 4:24:28 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: SunkenCiv

For your attention.


2 posted on 02/01/2009 4:25:52 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick; SunkenCiv
G3 PING
3 posted on 02/01/2009 4:26:34 PM PST by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Could get England 2% out of their debt load.


4 posted on 02/01/2009 4:32:08 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Sir Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronté, bump for the history of the thing.
5 posted on 02/01/2009 4:35:34 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Wow! AWESOME!!!

Thanks for posting!


6 posted on 02/01/2009 4:39:26 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
“it could be in breach of a UN convention on nautical archaeology”

Screw the UN. Bring the contents to the surface. Thanks for posting the interesting story.

7 posted on 02/01/2009 4:42:57 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: PotatoHeadMick

The thing which surprises me is that a ship of that era had well over a thousand sailors on it.


8 posted on 02/01/2009 4:43:09 PM PST by yarddog
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The thing which surprises me is that a ship of that era had well over a thousand sailors on it.

Yeah, I question that also. That sound really high unless they were transporting soldiers. It does not take that many men to sail a ship and if it did, they would be all over each other.

9 posted on 02/01/2009 4:49:08 PM PST by Random Access
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To: Professional Engineer

ping


10 posted on 02/01/2009 4:53:14 PM PST by Peanut Gallery (The essence of freedom is the proper limitation of government.)
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To: Random Access

Ship of the Line. It took that many men to man the guns and yes, they were all over each other.


11 posted on 02/01/2009 4:58:10 PM PST by sphinx
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It does not take that many men to sail a ship and if it did, they would be all over each other.

Which is why they had cabin boys.

12 posted on 02/01/2009 5:03:35 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Jimmy Carter -- the first white Barack Obama.)
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To: Random Access
100 guns, 6 man crew each.

That alone gets you to 600 men and boys(powder monkeys).

13 posted on 02/01/2009 5:04:34 PM PST by highpockets
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The thing which surprises me is that a ship of that era had well over a thousand sailors on it.

You would need that many to fight the ship. A hundred gun ship, assuming that the just found ship was a first or second rate ship of the line, would need a crew of 7-8 to serve each gun, plus more to sail the ship, etc., and the Marines on board. Warship crews were very large. Still are I expect.

14 posted on 02/01/2009 5:06:58 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: yarddog

Ditto.

Could almost see it for one of those overseized Spanish Men of War but even then...


15 posted on 02/01/2009 5:08:47 PM PST by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: yarddog
The thing which surprises me is that a ship of that era had well over a thousand sailors on it.

Figure it out. 110 guns each requiring 8-16 men, to man half of then takes c.650 crew. Officers, midshipmen, Warrant/petty officers, ships boys adds 100-150. Some men are presumably still needed for ship handling during battle.

16 posted on 02/01/2009 5:13:46 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

You’d think something with that much gold on it would have been found a lot sooner. It’s enough to make me take up scuba diving.


17 posted on 02/01/2009 5:14:11 PM PST by popdonnelly (The problem with Obama is that he believes his own hype.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Nelson, pickled in a barrel of rum. About ready to be tapped?


18 posted on 02/01/2009 5:16:23 PM PST by llevrok (Feral Conservative)
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To: yarddog

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/facts/faqs/royal-navy-and-battles/navy%27s-%27first-rate%27-ships

“Navy’s ‘first rate’ ships

A ship’s ‘rate’ was basically decided by the number of guns she carried, from the largest 120- gun First Rate, down to Sixth Rate 20-gun ships. The smaller ‘unrated’ vessels (sloops, brigs, bomb vessels, etc) were commanded by more junior officers (Commanders, Lieutenants) but a ‘rated’ ship was always a Captain’s command and always ship rigged, that is with three square rigged masts.

First Rate: The biggest ships of the fleet, with their gun batteries carried on three decks, were generally used as flagships and fought in the centre of the line-of-battle. They were armed with a minimum of 100 heavy cannon, carried a crew of about 850 and were over 2000 tons Builder’s Measure (a formula for calculating the capacity of the ship, not the displacement of the ship as is the practice nowadays).”

You can see that on a First Rate ship, if you add a contingent of Marines, ( a very common practice in the British Navy) you can see how the crew can easily be over 1000 men.

It takes a lot, and I mean A LOT of manpower to run a ship like “Victory”. Just servicing one gun took the combined efforts of about five men or more depending on the size of the gun, and it was the requirements of the number of mounted guns that drove the size of the crew.


19 posted on 02/01/2009 5:16:50 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

boodmark


20 posted on 02/01/2009 5:27:44 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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