Posted on 01/01/2009 6:29:21 PM PST by CE2949BB
Washington, D.C.--The acts of war by Hamas against Israel are precisely what people should expect from Bush’s so-called democracy strategy in the Middle East.
The administration campaigned for elections in the strongholds of various Islamist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah, groups that it should have worked to destroy. In the Palestinian territories, Bush insisted that Hamas be allowed to participate in the 2006 elections--and the jihadist group won a landslide. Thanks to that political victory, Hamas gained an unearned legitimacy for its vicious war to exterminate Israelis and Westerners. Winning power with the aid of their enemy confirmed for these Islamists that the West will abet its own destroyers.
America’s self-defense entails crushing Islamic totalitarianism--not ushering its jihadists into political office and galvanizing them to redouble their war against us.
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“While we have no right to tell someone they can’t worship Allah”
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“I have this huge worry about Islamic fascism getting a significant foothold in the civilized world. It must be crushed NOW. It deserves no respect.”
I separated your comment for a reason:
If we wish to have a chance at achieving what you desire in your second sentence, our only choice is to compel upon Mohammedans that restriction which you stated in your first.
If the “religion” of Mohammed “deserves no respect”, and indeed represents “facsim”, why SHOULDN’T we prohibit the “worship” of it?
Consider a slight rewording of that:
If the “religion” of Nazism “deserves no respect”, and indeed represents “facsim”, why SHOULDN’T we prohibit the “worship” of it?
- John
Let me respond to your question with a question. Do all muslims support “islamic fascism”?
Trust me, they are right. “Democracy” is not freedom. In the middle east they would gladly vote for any politician who promised to destroy Israel and us.
Some people are just too stupid to govern themselves. I’m from NJ. I know.
Now folks everywhere can see just how poorly the Palestinians would handle being a sovereign nation.
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Rather short, but essentially correct. Armed terrorist groups should not be accepted in the electoral process. Hamas, Hizbollah, al Sadr in Iraq. Fortunately Egypt ignored our "advice" about increased Muslim Brotherhood participation in their elections.
There’s American style democracy with our Constitution and Bill of Rights, then there are other forms of democracy. In both Afghanistan and Iraq, they held free elections and sought input from their populations about what sort of constitution they should have. Both nations based their constitutions on sharia.
We’ll know how successful our efforts in those two Islamic nations have been over five to ten years after most US troops have been withdrawn, and we see happens when those peoples are on their own.
But, the article contains a good bit of truth. The Islamists often win elections as in Algeria, and they are near that in Turkey. We should definitely have learned that, just because free elections are held, it doesn’t mean we’ll like the results, and the results might be worse than what existed before the elections.
I hope we’ve learned that everyone does not want American style freedom, democracy and individual rights. Many Americans have lived under the illusion that they do for far too long.
There was a time proven way to deal with threats such as Islam, and that was to isolate it. Do not live among it and do not allow it to live in your nations. Conduct diplomatic and business relations, but no more. But we've foregone that proven method and allowed ourselves to be saddled with the lunacy of PCness and multiculturalism.
So, Islam is just another one of the world's great religions, a religion of peace. W said so.
The old USSR was isolated, and we only had diplomatic and some cultural exchanges with it. It collapsed, though some elements of it are making a comeback. But we passed up that approach with Islam.
When people elect terrorists to represent them they become responsible for the terrorist they elected. Those voters can no longer be considered “innocent” and can be held accountable as a whole. I think that is a good thing. Or in other words it eliminates the excuses and unveils the people for what they are.
Isolating it is exactly what was happening when the World Trade Center was taken out.
You can’t isolate it. You can’t build enough walls to keep them out. You have to take it to them or suffer the consequences.
Do you mean Islam is not a religion of peace? Who would have guessed?
It does appear that nuclear weapons will be necessary to wipe the scourge from the Earth.
Indeed, we now know what ignorant fools are those who voted for Barack Obama.
Those we know voted for Obama should be held personally responsible by us for what this egomaniac-tyrant does.
Ignored our advice??
Heck, they CREATED the Muslim Brotherhood!
but then again, you knew that... :)
“Let me respond to your question with a question. Do all muslims support “islamic fascism”?”
Since you asked a question, I, too, will respond with one:
How many Muslims would you believe DO NOT?
- John
Oh, yeah, we were really isolating just before 9/11. That group had what, 50+ driver's licenses among them? Some had had encounters with law enforcement, but their legal status could not be checked. A recent laxing of airport security also aided their boarding a plane with few if any questions.
If you think "taking it to them" in Afghanistan and Iraq (two nations that contributed NOT ONE of the hijackers) is keeping us safe in the USA, then you should pass around some of that good stuff you're smoking.
What's been done to prevent the incubation of more terrorists in Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, the West Bank, Gaza, Saudi Arabia, and on and on. It is impossible to "take it to them" in all the nations that can and do produce terrorists.
Our borders and airports are wide open for new terrorists to enter by all sorts of well known ruses and legal ways. Check your map. The WTC was not in Baghdad or Kabul. Against this type terrorism, our security depends overwhelmingly on what we do on the home front.
But maybe you'll reassure everyone and tell us what's being done to "take it to them" in all 57 or so Muslim nations.
Sorry isolationism has never worked... We tried it in the 30’s and looked what happened..
Sorry, we're talking about two different types of isolation. I'm talking about isolating nations that mean us ill. You're talking about "isolationaism." Two different things. We absolutely isolated the USSR, didn't trade with them, had almost no business relations with them, and dealt with their strongest allies in a similar manner. Another description of that type isolation was "containment."
How's the USSR doing these days?
Sorry different enemy... What worked against the USSR doesn’t mean it will work against the terrorist.
Sorry, you're making sweeping, general statements as if you've provided irrefutable proof. You provided nothing but sweeping, general statements.
>>While we have no right to tell someone they can’t worship Allah,
While this sounds nice in theory, the practical reality for 1300+ years is that Islam is a totalitarian political-religious system that doesn’t play well with others, and kills/suppresses others until they Submit.
We once didn’t see a need to be tolerant to Communism, and for good reason.
Not the best explanation of this theory, but certainly I think a more non interventional foreign policy is both more consitutional and would reduce terrorism.
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