Posted on 12/18/2008 4:27:03 PM PST by FreeAtlanta
Unedited and messed up response from Saxby Chambliss to a request that he demand that Barack (Barry) Obama (Soetoro) have a certified long form Birth Certificate sent to the Senate to prove his eligibility. Try not to bust a blood vessel.
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Dear mail.salutation_for_merging.merge :
Thank you for contacting me to share your concerns over President-elect Obama's citizenship. I appreciate hearing from you.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." President-elect Obama demonstrated his citizenship during his campaign by circulating copies of his birth certificate, which showed he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.
On December 8, 2008, the Supreme Court declined to hear a case filed by a New Jersey attorney, Mr. Donofrio , regarding President-elect Obama's citizenship. Unlike many of the lawsuits regarding President-elect Obama's citizenship, which claim he was really born on foreign soil, Mr. Donofrio's case concedes that President-elect Obama was born in Hawaii but contends he still held foreign citizenship at birth. Mr. Donofrio's lawsuit argues that since President-elect Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of President-elect Obama's birth, then Obama was a British citizen at birth and not eligible to be President of the United States.
Another attorney, Mr. Berg, has filed a lawsuit regarding President-elect Obama's citizenship and is waiting to hear whether the Supreme Court will take up the case or not. A federal judge in Eastern Pennsylvania threw out Mr. Berg's lawsuit in October, saying he lacked legal standing to bring the challenge since he could not show he faced individual harm even if he could prove his claims about President-elect Obama's citizenship. The judge did not get to the merits of the case. Mr. Berg is appealing the standing issue to the Supreme Court.
If a person is born in the United States, a certificate of live birth issued where one is born is sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship. The certificate, confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health as authentic, shows that President-elect Obama was born in Hawaii.
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You said — “This is our ball and we are going to finish this game. No one picked you for the team. Go home.”
I’ve posted on all sorts of topics over the years, adding up to 10,375 posts. Why is it that I should quit posting on this one particular topic??
He could make a lot of this go away if he would produce any and all passports in his possession. But, instead, he produces a cerificate of birth from the State of Hawaii that proves he was born, some place and sometime, but not necessarily in Hawaii. If he could prove it he would have by now. It's clear he can't so he's relying on the gutlessness of our court system to see that he becomes president, all under the threat of riots and constitutional crisis if he's not installed into the White House. How sad that the Judiciary Branch of our country can write and rewrite law from the bench but can't or won't enforce the simple eligibility requirements to hold the highest office in the land. That, in and of itself, is a constitutional crisis. And for what? To allow an unqualified, empty suit become President of the United States.
You: “Why is it that I should quit posting on this one particular topic??”
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Honestly? I will make it short and sweet. You are annoying and predictable.
The arguments we have made to you and posters like you are becoming redundant and useless.
Why did you skip over my comment of “You have made your point. We get it. You do not agree” ?
How many times do we need to hear the same dribble from you?
Don’t bother answering, I already know the answer. You will continue your constant “nothing will come of this, I know more than you all” tripe.
“Hell, let’s through out the whole Constitution! And, lets let all the convicts in prisons go! Surely, some guilty person in the past got away with his/her crime!”
Thank you for the Ping LucyT.
You are my main lifeline in my effort to keep up with this topic.
You said — “The idea that Obama does not have a legal obligation to prove he meets the constitutional requirements simply because he says he has or he offers a certificate of birth that only proves he was born but doesn’t specify where is silly.”
On the contrary — from what I see, it says born in the city of Honolulu, on the island of Oahu, in the county of Honolulu. That’s right on the document itself.
Apparently someone has fed you some wrong information...
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Then — “The secretaries of state are required to certify elections not only in regard as to how the election transpired but the eligibility of the candidates involved. Simply doing nothing is a political decision, not a legal one.”
That’s why it’s time to close up the loophole in the state laws and require proof...
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And then you said — “For instance if he was ever held Indonesian citizenship at any time in his life he must have lost U.S citizenship because Indonesia doesn’t allow for dual citizenship. If he is considered a British subject by virtue of birth in Kenya (Zanzibar) he can’t be president because he’s British, not American.”
You’ll still be saying that after Obama is writing his memoirs and has his Presidential Library built...
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And once again you assert — “But, instead, he produces a cerificate of birth from the State of Hawaii that proves he was born, some place and sometime, but not necessarily in Hawaii. If he could prove it he would have by now.”
That’s where you’re wrong. It specifically states he was born in Hawaii — from that document that the State of Hawaii issued. Someone has told you wrong information. I’ve seen the document that Obama says is his.
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And then — “It’s clear he can’t so he’s relying on the gutlessness of our court system to see that he becomes president, all under the threat of riots and constitutional crisis if he’s not installed into the White House.”
There would be riots if someone was convicted without proof — and especially when the candidate has provided proof from a document from the State of Hawaii. It’s still the “system” here in these United States that a person is innocent until proven guilty (by due process).
When you provide evidence and due process, then I’ll know that he’s guilty. Let me know when this happens...
You asked — “What testimony and what document has he given and to whom were they given? I can come up with a forged document that says I was born in Hawaii and I can say I was......but I wasn’t.”
His statement that he is qualified. A person is allowed his own testimony to the facts of a case.
When you provide proof in court that this is a forged document, then I’ll know that this is what it is. In the meantime, when a person provides documentation, that operates under the principle that it’s true.
I bring documentation into an office that demands certain things from me (perhaps a bank statement or an IRS form showing income, or a social security card). Now, I carry them in and they don’t tell me, right off the bat that these are fake document. No, they accept them, because I’ve told them that these are my documents.
Now..., if they can prove that these are fakes, then they will. But, they won’t and don’t do that, because they accept it, up front, as true documents. If someone else comes in and proves that my documentation is false, then whomever I showed will probably be coming after me... LOL..
So, since no one has “come in” and shown that Obama’s statement and documentation is false, that means to me that either his assertion is true, or else he has high-qualify CIA-spy-like documentation... :-)
No one has shown or proven or had a court case that has made the case that they are fake. When they do make that case and prove it — then you can let me know. In the meantime, they are just like the documents I bring in to any office or employer or government agency, when they ask me for documentation.
Just in case anyone hasn’t seen this analysis done by the St. Petersburg Times back in June which includes a confirmation of the authenticity of Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth by Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii Health Department:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
You said — “The arguments we have made to you and posters like you are becoming redundant and useless.”
By that reasoning, I guess that means that no one else will be posting anything on the issue any longer, either — since they all sound redundant, too... LOL..
But, as I see it, I end up responding to new names and new posters and they each have their answers and assertions and I have my responses to them. So, it doesn’t appear to be the same people all the time. And I do see new types of responses...
He has spent somewhere around $1mil using 3 law firms fighting against showing his long form birth certificate. The only BC he has shown was on his DailyKos web site and it was proven a forgery by no less than 3 experts. His word means nothing either.
I saw that article but I didn’t think to include it here. I’m glad you did. It does say that the State of Hawaii *confirmed* the authenticity of Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, which includes the place of birth as being in Hawaii. This was *confirmed* by the State of Hawaii...
But, it doesn’t “fit the conspiracy theories* so many of these posters won’t accept it... LOL...
This is serious to me. I'm not laughing.
Can you ever admit you are wrong on this issue? Every blow I read about regarding this issue makes me angry and sad for what our great Nation is losing.
YOU GLOAT about it.
If BO is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a “Natural Born Citizen” then I will accept the outcome.
I believe you would never accept it if he is found to be ineligible. You have proven it in your numerous posts.
You can have whatever opinion you have. That is up to you of course.
BUT DO NOT ANSWER ME WITH “LOL” WHEN IT COMES TO MY BELOVED COUNTRY AND WHAT SHE MEANS TO ME.
Your opinion doesn't bother me, but your annoyingly flippant attitude does.
I am willing to bet that is why you receive the amount of replies you do on each of your mindless posts.
You said — “He has spent somewhere around $1mil using 3 law firms fighting against showing his long form birth certificate. The only BC he has shown was on his DailyKos web site and it was proven a forgery by no less than 3 experts. His word means nothing either.”
I’ve tried to get this information on how much was spent on any of these cases and I can’t find anyone who can document this. I’ve heard assertions, but they were always absent any documentation or even any rationale. I would like to see that documentation that outlines who spent what and where...
I’ve seen a report from a paper that went to the extent of asking the State of Hawaii to *verify* that the copy that they received from Obama was *indeed* a true and correct copy. The answer they got back (from the State of Hawaii) was that it was.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
So your mad that Obama got elected. What’s new??
That’s the way the political process work and why we don’t have dictators and armed revolution, although some FReepers like to advocate armed revolution... LOL (there it is again..., but the idea that some FReepers think that we’re going to have a shooting civil war is hilarious; it will never happen...).
We do have a system by which we vote and determine who is going to be President and who our local elected officials are going to be. That’s the process and if you don’t like the results, you just go into the next election trying to do better.
If there is a law to fix, you fix it. But, to get bent out of shape here for something that you’re *not able to do a thing about* — is going to accomplish nothing except raise your blood pressure.
I don’t know why you can’t accept the “reality” of the situation, because that’s exactly how our political process has worked. We *barely* got Bush in there a couple of times. It doesn’t pay to gripe for the sake of griping. It only pays to be able to “do something” about a problem.
The problem with the supposed non-qualification of Obama is going nowhere. So, it’s time to do something about the “vetting process” — which is a lot more constructive than having a stroke... :-)
Without going into all the arguments regarding borders and fonts it does seem odd that Obama's father's race is listed as "African" yet his mother's is listed as "Caucasian". Also, there's no hospital listed--and no hospital in Honolulu has a record of Obama's birth--and no official seal or embossing. But if this is proof enough for you, so be it.
You are useless as a FReeper and an American.
You believe you will get something done in future elections?
You attempts will go nowhere.
If this issue is not resolved, we will not have another honest national election in this country again.
I accept that “reality”. You are the one that is kidding themselves.
The State of Hawaii affirmed that this was a true copy, according to the St. Petersburg Times, when they asked the state for the confirmation...
You said — “You are useless as a FReeper and an American.”
Yes, I’ve also heard that when people have a lot of money, friends come out of nowhere. When you’re broke, no one wants to be your friend.. LOL...
And the corollary on Free Republic is that when you agree, you are an scholar and a gentlemen. When you disagree, you are an idiot and useless and a troll...
So true..., so what’s new???
If you really want to know how much he’s spent and how, do some research. As far as politifact.com....they are associated with factcheck.org who is owned by the Annenberg group who Zero was on the board of directors. Their credibility is zip.
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