Posted on 12/14/2008 8:24:26 PM PST by The Conservative Yogini
This was passed on to me from Joe Thunder at FreedomMarch.org. Please let your CA conservative friends know!
The Alan Keyes Legal Team will hold a press conference tomorrow Mon. 12-15-08 12:30 PM at the CA State Capitol in Sacramento, CA. Please help spread. Attendance is needed for media coverage. Official Info is as follows: Location: CA State Capitol - Corner of "L" and 11th Streets, Sacramento, CA 12:30 PM 1. Attend 2. Bring signs with out sticks. 3. Bring your birth certificate and show it to the media. Official Press Release Follows:
RE: AIP/Electoral College Capitol Press Conference set for Monday
For Immediate Release - Event Notice - Press Conference
Time: Mon 12-15-08, 12:30 PM Place: California State Capitol, Sacramento California at the Corner of “L” and 11th Streets Topic: Unlawful Occupation of Presidency and Invalid Electoral College Process Conference Contact: Tony Andrade, 916-230-2123; Tony95683@netzero.net Media Contact: Markham Robinson, State Chairman, American Independent Party; Party HQ 707-359-4884 Home: 707-448-7062; Office: 707-451-8985; Temp Cell: 707-761-3009; Fax: 707-222-6040
(Excerpt) Read more at thegadflyblog.com ...
No, Obama is a natural born citizen...because the Supreme Court says so.
Show me the infallibility clause in our constitution.
Well there isn't an infallibility clause anywhere. But from what I've seen, given a choice between believing the Supreme Court and believing you then I'll take the court every time.
It goes back a ways to when he was running and had no chance at all. There were lots of keys people here who couldn’t resist interjecting him into everything
He is a good guy and great conservative but never had the standing to be competitive
Your comparison of an "abused spouse" is right on as people lash out and attack good people while passing on RINO's.
I am not saying his positions are wrong. I’m saying he is not a leader. There is a big difference. And you can be the most brilliant person to walk the face of the earth, but if you can’t get anyone to follow you, it means nothing.
So you want me to show you that something that isn’t there, isn’t there? Just how do you do that?
***In this case it’s very easy: you just read the posts that are directed to you, especially the one that calls you one lazy azz freeper. Your entire position was repudiated, and you have the gall to come back and say what you say, as if no one had done it. You’re one, incredible freeping jerk. It’s guys like you who give Free Republic bad press, not any conspiracy theorists. Why don’t you just climb back into the DU cave you came from, Troll?
Kevmo: So you think it’s impossible that zer0bama is a naturalized citizen because the Supreme Court says so?
NS: No, Obama is a natural born citizen...because the Supreme Court says so.
***That’s an amazing piece of gnat s#|t you just picked out of the pepper, which proves you are a troll. And it’s STILL a logical fallacy. The supreme court, first of all, has not yet ruled on zer0bama being a natural born citizen because the 20th amendment says that such a thing doesn’t take place until he’s president elect. Second of all, just because they say so don’t make it so, or are you going to start counting blacks as 3/5ths of a person just because at one time the Supreme Court said it was so?
But from what I’ve seen, given a choice between believing the Supreme Court and believing you then I’ll take the court every time.
***Cool, then I can take your property because me and my city council buddies have deemed that we have a better purpose for it under the Kelo decision. And you’ll just BOHICA because you believe the Supreme Court. Not only that, but the Supreme Court hasn’t ruled yet on whether I can ship your whole family into slavery in Dubai when you win an “all expenses paid cruise”, so you’ll believe the SCOTUS in its silence rather than go after your lost family. Let’s see... what else has the supreme court been silent about? There’s got to be dozens of things I could take you down with that you’ll just BOHICA because the Supreme Court has “spoken” in its silence on the matter. This will be fun. I’ll get back to you on more ideas.
***Yes, there is 160 pages of evidence in Polarik’s latest report, plus the original publication of details by Israel Insider and Polarik’s first report. That’s a lot of evidence. It’s probably why the court hasn’t yet thrown out Berg v. Obama but tossed the 2 cases that are independent of forged BC evidence.
So in your mind the writings of anonymous internet poster who may...or may not have any of the credentials they claim to have are evidence? Evidence????? When Dan Rather did the report on Pres. Bush’ military records document experts were coming out of the woodwork, they were laying it out, in person, with their REAL names, having their names allowed everyone to verify they had the credentials they claimed to have. The result was that when these experts claimed that the documents were forged, they had some credibility. If Polarik is who he says he is... He can simply come out in public. Until he does so NO ONE except the peole on this site will give his report a bit of credence.......
By this reasoning if an anonymous internet poster who claims to be a computer expert.... claims any one of us were downloading child porn.... a judge should order a search of our computers?????..... on the other hand if a person, with documneted computer expertise comes to the police, with logs that show this to have happened.....you can bet the judge would order it.....why...because there is evidence not speculation
These “Experts” then claim they are hiding their identity to protect themselves from crazed Obama supporters..... That could be the case...of course it could also be the case that they wont devulge their identities because they have something to hide (Something like they have none of the qualifications they claim to have).
To this point there has been absolutely ZERO evidence produced that show he was born anywhere besides where he claims to have been born. NO judge will compel Obama to produce the “Vault” copy of his certificate based solely on some guys anonymous Youtube video, or Bergs speculation that his mother flew back to Hawaii, unless Berg can produce travel records. Speculation, Blogs, Youtube videos, peoples opinions, or number of other lawsuits that cite internet reports etc are not enough for a judge to compel him....
Even if a judge were to order any state SOS to examine documents. Obama will simply forward another short form COLB, that includes a seal and a signature..along with an affidavit from the State of Hawaii that attests that it is an official document. The SOS will then have satisfied the judges order and the judge will agree. The short form states he was born in Hawaii.... nothing in the constitution nor U.S. Code ever mentions anything about hospital or doctor.
I am no Obama fan, but, I have been amazed at what people on these sites consider to be “Evidence”.... Like him or not he will shortly become POTUS... surely you would never expect the POTUS to answer to every internet rumor or speculation that comes down the pike.
If your “Evidence” is....he wont show me so he must be hiding something, then President Bush must have been hiding something everytime his administration claimed executive priveledge. People will hold onto the privacy for the simple fact that it is their right as US citizens. If you asked me for mine I’d tell you cram it too.
- They state $800,000 spent to fight it...but not a single source for that information is ever cited. (oh I’m sorry someone did link to a youtube video of someone saying that they know someone that heard somebody say he did)
-They state his sister has a COLB from Hawaii but never show where this is true, no link to an image, no corroboration, no anything.....”I read it online, it supports my case, so I’ll believe its true”....
-Berg claims he was born in Kenya, not a single travel document is produced, In 1961 his mother would have had to change planes in what? 7 or 8 different countries for refueling and changing planes. But not a single document can be found of the trip.....not one....”but it must have happened because Berg said it did, it supports what I want to believe, so it must be true”
- The has only been one piece of actual evidence, that could be admitted to court produced by anyone in this... That is the COLB online scanned to a website...... That physical document (Not the web image) is evidence that can admitted into court....whether that COLB is legit?....who knows..... but no one...can attest to that without having the proper qualifications and actually physically examining the document. Everything else is hearsay and speculation...and in the US where citizens have individual rights (Yes even Obama)...... specualtion and hearsay arent enough
Honestly....what judge in america would look at these statements and consider them as evidence?
And I am saying you are stone_dead_wrong. Those whom he is able to reach believe him implicitly, and would follow him anywhere.
It is that his message is being stifled that is the problem.
Thomas Paine wasn't exactly well regarding in polite circles either.
Keyes has been around for a very, very long time. He as effected NOTHING. He is a brilliant speaker, no doubt. But if he had the ability to lead, he wouldn’t be where he is. And it’s not for lack of trying. I actually voted for him during primary back in the day. You like him, great. But that doesn’t mean he’ll ever do anything of any greatness. Sorry.
You speak like he new on the scene...he’s been around for quite some time..he’s had his shots...he’s blown it.
I do have a footnote to add, however.
Sandra Ramsey Lines , a Former Federal Examiner and Retired Law Enforcement Officer is the Forensic Document Examiner who confirmed and corroborated my final report in an affidavit submitted to Alan Keye's legal team (in addition to mine, of course).
Her credentials are as follows:
Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners
Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Sciences
Member, American Society of Questioned Document Examiners
Member, Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners
Member, American Society of Testing and Materials, Forensic Sciences
Committee, and Questioned Document Subcommittee
She is also listed in: Marquis "Who's Who in Science and Engineering,"
"Who's Who in American Women," and "Who's Who" in America
So, "Who who's your Daddy" now?
So has anyone seen Alan Keyes’ press conference?
Hardly. What it does prove is that you've done no reading up on the subject.
The supreme court, first of all, has not yet ruled on zer0bama being a natural born citizen...
Actually it has. Past Supreme Court decisions have established that there are two types of citizenship - citizen at birth or natural born, and naturalized. The Supreme Court has also ruled in the past that children born in the U.S. are citizens at birth, regardless of the nationality of their parents. If Obama was born in Hawaii, as Donofrio conceeds, then he's a natural born U.S. citizen regardless of his father's nationality. And therefore eligible to be president. So you are wrong. The Court has ruled on Obama's eligibility. One hundred and ten years ago.
... because the 20th amendment says that such a thing doesn’t take place until he’s president elect.
I've read the 20th Amendment many times and I'll be damned if I can find where it says that.
Cool, then I can take your property because me and my city council buddies have deemed that we have a better purpose for it under the Kelo decision.
Obviously you have no idea what the Kelo decision involves. The court refused to overturn a Connectictut Supreme Court decision upholding the eminent domain seizure. In other words, the Court refused to interfere in a state matter. Isn't that what we, as conservatives, are supposed to support? Not having the big, intrusive Washington government telling states what they can and cannot do? Would you have been happier if the Connecticut had ruled against the seizure and the Supreme Court had overturned it?
And you’ll just BOHICA because you believe the Supreme Court.
As I said, given a choice between believing the Supreme Court and believing someone like you then I'll take the court every time. At least they know what they're talking about.
Amused placemarker
What Reaganite has? *None*. That is not because Conservatism is false. That is not because there are no Conservative leaders. That is not because the country is leaning liberal (60%+ say they are Conservative).
It is because the Bakerite leadership in the Republican Party has done all they can to squelch Conservatism and defame it's leaders. ALL of them. Name *any* true Conservative who is in leadership today. Go ahead. Even one.
As Conservatism rids itself of the Republicans, which it is doing, even now, you will see the value of Conservative leadership come back to the fore, and it is high time for it too.
One certainly cannot confuse leadership with anything the Republicans have put out lately, that's for sure.
When a prospective candidate for any office inquires about the qualifications for an office, or during the review process after the filing period, the specific constitutional or statutory provisions must be consulted in order to determine the validity of candidate filings.
That is not limited to state candidates.
Determining the Validity of Nominations(snip)
For national and state offices, the filings are made with the Secretary of State’s office, and a period of ten business days is allowed for determination of their validity. [KSA 25208a( a)]
If a filing is determined to be invalid, the candidate may file an objection pursuant to KSA 25-308. If a filing is determined to be valid, another person may file an objection if they believe the filing to be invalid. (See Section d below.)
Neither is that obviously. Apparently your problem isn't laziness it's either stupidity or dishonesty. ???
...the results of which are not officially recognized until the President Of The Senate (VP Cheney) unseals the ballots on January 8.
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