Posted on 12/14/2008 8:24:26 PM PST by The Conservative Yogini
This was passed on to me from Joe Thunder at FreedomMarch.org. Please let your CA conservative friends know!
The Alan Keyes Legal Team will hold a press conference tomorrow Mon. 12-15-08 12:30 PM at the CA State Capitol in Sacramento, CA. Please help spread. Attendance is needed for media coverage. Official Info is as follows: Location: CA State Capitol - Corner of "L" and 11th Streets, Sacramento, CA 12:30 PM 1. Attend 2. Bring signs with out sticks. 3. Bring your birth certificate and show it to the media. Official Press Release Follows:
RE: AIP/Electoral College Capitol Press Conference set for Monday
For Immediate Release - Event Notice - Press Conference
Time: Mon 12-15-08, 12:30 PM Place: California State Capitol, Sacramento California at the Corner of “L” and 11th Streets Topic: Unlawful Occupation of Presidency and Invalid Electoral College Process Conference Contact: Tony Andrade, 916-230-2123; Tony95683@netzero.net Media Contact: Markham Robinson, State Chairman, American Independent Party; Party HQ 707-359-4884 Home: 707-448-7062; Office: 707-451-8985; Temp Cell: 707-761-3009; Fax: 707-222-6040
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How about my own state of Kansas? I know of no law that tasks the Kansas Secretary of State with verifying the qualifications of a presidential candidate.
Only if you accept Donfrio's definition of 'natural born citizen'. Again, the Constitution and federal law and Supreme Court decisions do not.
If not Duncan Hunter, who other than Alan Keyes? At least you are in the same ballpark...
Perhaps you should wander on back to WAnkerville where "everybody knows"...
The joke is the Republican party, where a brilliant mind like Alan Keyes cannot even get a microphone and a podium, yet the likes of MccAin't, the Traitorous Bastard, can rise to be the party nominee for POTUS... There's a joke for you...
The same can be said of every single Reaganite who has ever dared to utter a peep on the national stage. Show me one that has not been likewise discredited.
It is a good litmus test for me anymore- If the Republicans are yukkin' it up about a candidate, I probably want to vote for him.
More than one of the lawsuits made out a prima facie case of facts and circumstances that raised serious doubts as to his assertion that he was born in hawaii.
it is not at all unusual to require discovery from the opposing party to obtain facs and documents that help your case.
In some states there is a discovery mechanism called “pre-action discovery” where the court may order a party to produce or allow discovery to assist the suing party to prepare a case and learn the facts and real parties involved. There are cases where this was done BEFORE the actual lawsuit was even filed.
medical malpractice cases rely on the hospital records to make a case against the hospital. the hospital can not refuse to release them, and more than one hospital has attempted to tamper with and change records to try and exculpate itself from liability.
All a court had to do was order him to release the aurthentic birth certificate maintain by hawaii and this could have been resolved, one way or the other. his failure to do so volutarily confirms suspicions that he is concealing the truth.
So, although the burden of proof to show non-citizenship may be on the party filing the lawsuit, it is absolutely normal procedure to obtain some of that proof from the adverse party who is in possession of that knowledge.
It's not a question of "proving you wrong". No birth certificate, no legitimacy. Period.
So you think it’s impossible that zer0bama is a naturalized citizen because the Supreme Court says so? Show me the infallibility clause in our constitution. You can’t because it does not exist. If the above is your reasoning, there’s an obvious classical fallacy.
I know of no law that tasks the Kansas Secretary of State with verifying the qualifications of a presidential candidate.
***You aren’t trustworthy enough for us to rely upon what you know. Show us. If you can’t, you have no business asking other FReepers to fetch for you.
It is not enough to have a brilliant mind.
None of these cases have been decided on the merit of any evidence provided, but on questions of standing. The question becomes one of who has the right to bring suit to have the documents shown, and most courts have claimed that the average citizen does not have standing, in that they would be no more injured than anyone else.
Alan Keyes can show injury beyond the average person were Barrack Obama not qualified to take office because Keyes was running against Obama. The contestant has more standing than the employer.
No case thus far has been decided on any evidence that Barrack Obama is qualified.
McCain's Natural Born Citizen status was called into question as well, and he produced the documents.
Obama's past is far more murky, in the various international connections, affiliations with terrorists, and possibly criminals as well.
If we can set aside, for the purpose of Constitutional qualification, the fact that the majority of voters are apparently misguided, misinformed, or uninformed, we still have the qualifications for office which must be met or Obama is ineligible.
That must take precedence, not the vote.
If he could not have held the office he should not have been a candidate, and that goes back to being vetted by the DNC. I have not seen a host of highly placed Dems stepping forward and saying they have seen his proof of natural born citizenship status.
He can clear all this up by disclosing the documents which show he has been and has remained a Natural Born Citizen. A few pieces of paper released and the whole thing goes away. Seems pretty simple to me, especially since ordinarily (at least around here) people have to produce more than that to get into much less refined public housing.
You are correct. One should also have an unshakable character, such as Ambassador Keyes possesses, and an unflagging spirit- Again found in quantity, in Keyes. These are the hallmarks of a true statesman, and finding them in abundance in any man puts him above his contenders by an order of magnitude.
That Keyes possesses them all and is an unswervingly, unapologetic Reagan Conservative of the first order, makes him nigh on unapproachable as a contender, with all but a handful of men in his class.
To smear him is unconscionable, as a matter of principle- He is an honorable man, by the definition of the word.
To suggest his positions are wrong is to court certain disaster- His positions have not changed one bit since I first became aware of him in 2000- He is right-on-the-money all the way across the board. There is not a subject one that Conservatives would not rally to him for, and strongly so.
To suggest he is not charismatic or prepared is simply absurd. His speeches are all completely off the cuff- He never has notes of any kind- And he is renown as one of the finest orators in the world. No one holds a candle to him in debates of any kind.
So not only is he good, but he is right. And not only is he good and right, but he is damn good at being damn well right, and he can say so in front of everyone, and they will agree with him.
All he has been lacking these last 7 years is the same thing all Reaganites have been lacking- Party support. In fact, I am quite sure that Keyes and Co. would be happy just to compete without the weight of the Republican foot on their neck, as it were. Given a level playing field, there is not a single person that the Republican moderates or Democrats could field against him, including Sarah Palin and the 0bamination. And even among the Conservatives, there is but a very few that would give him pause.
Your opinion is unfounded at best, and slanderous at worst. If yours is the prevailing Republican view, then it is all the more fitting that Keyes, along with 30% of the Republican base, myself included, have all quit the party. There is certainly a better alliance to be made elsewhere.
Excuse me .. I HEARD WITH MY OWN EARS AND SAW HIM ON TV WHEN HE SAID, “There’s never a good enough reason to go to war”.
You may not like what he said - BUT HE SAID IT ON TV.
His statement is so out of touch with reality .. I could never support anybody who was not willing to defend America.
Maybe it's just me, but I always thought hijacking passenger jets, flying them into buildings and killing nearly 3,000 innocent people is a pretty good reason for going to war.
But, I guess The One knows better...
Wow! You got that from my statement ..??
I wasn’t talking about “declaring war” - I was talking about Ron’s STATEMENT - that’s all.
I know Congress has to declare war .. but the President still has the discretion as Commander in Chief to send troops into action to protect America. This FACT does not compute with Ron.
Well .. we’re cut from different cloth I guess .. because I believe that too.
Last night I was watching the replays of 9/11 - I still cry at some of the parts of the film. This must have been an updated version because there were testimonies I had never seen before.
Not lazy, just smart enough to read - and comprehend - the applicable laws. For example, page 3 on candidate filings:
"Candidates for national and state offices must file with the Secretary of State’s office. Democratic and Republican candidates intending to run in the partisan primary in August have a choice of filing by fee or petition. Whichever method they choose, the filing documents and fee (if applicable) must be received in the Secretary of State’s office before the filing deadline in order for the candidate to be on the primary election ballot. If they file by fee, they must complete a Declaration of Intention to be a candidate, sign it and have their signature attested by an official in the Secretary of State’s office or by the county election officer or deputy. Therefore, the candidate may choose to complete their paperwork and have their signature attested in the county election office rather than traveling to Topeka, but it is still the candidate’s responsibility to ensure that the proper documents are filed with the Secretary of State before the deadline. [KSA 25-205, 25-305]"
The documents in question are the filing documents and the filing fees, if necessary. Nowhere is Kansas law does it mention checking the national candidate's credentials, i.e. birth certificates, residency record, etc.
"For many offices it is the responsibility of the county election officer to determine the validity of the filings. Determining the validity may include checking the Declaration of Intention for completeness, determining the sufficiency of a petition, determining whether a check written for a filing fee clears the bank, or determining whether a candidate possesses the necessary qualifications for office."
That's for state and local offices. It should be obvious - county election officials would not be responsible for vetting national candidates. Any vetting would be done at the state level, and as state law makes clear the Secretary of State is not tasked with that.
What else ya got?
So you want me to show you that something that isn't there, isn't there? Just how do you do that?
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