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Scalia Accepts Cort Wrotnowski Case on Obama Citizenship to Conference
Supreme Court ^ | 8 Dec 08 | Unknown

Posted on 12/08/2008 8:50:10 PM PST by Jay777

No. 08A469 Title: Cort Wrotnowski, Applicant v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State

Docketed: Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Connecticut Case Nos.: (SC 18264)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nov 25 2008 Application (08A469) for stay and/or injunction, submitted to Justice Ginsburg. Nov 26 2008 Application (08A469) denied by Justice Ginsburg. Nov 29 2008 Application (08A469) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia. Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008. Dec 8 2008 Application (08A469) referred to the Court by Justice Scalia.

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~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~ Attorneys for Petitioner: Cort Wrotnowski 1057 North Street (202) 862-8554 Greenwich, CT 06831 Party name: Cort Wrotnowski Attorneys for Respondent: Richard Blumenthal Attorney General (860) 808-5316 Office of the Attorney General 55 Elm Street P.O. Box 120 Hartford, CT 06141-0120 Party name: Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State

(Excerpt) Read more at origin.www.supremecourtus.gov ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; constitution; hillary; lawsuit; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; scalia; scotus; wrotnowski
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To: Canedawg

What is different about Keyes case?


61 posted on 12/09/2008 10:19:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: nonsporting; Grampa Dave
The faint-hearted should not be so willing to admit defeat and let this thing take its course.

I'm with you!

62 posted on 12/09/2008 10:21:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Keyes was on the ballot in california, where he filed the suit, so he is in position to claim he was directly injured by running against an unqualified opponent.


63 posted on 12/09/2008 10:22:04 AM PST by Canedawg ("The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it")
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To: All
From the Wikipedia article this is very interesting:

But, according to the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual, "the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."[3]

Just real interesting!

64 posted on 12/09/2008 10:23:57 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Canedawg; Grampa Dave; BIGLOOK; LucyT; SunkenCiv

OK thanks....good argument!


65 posted on 12/09/2008 10:25:51 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All

If natural born citizen for constitutional purposes requires that both parents be US Citizens at childs birth....then Obama would fail that test...regardless of where his birthplace might be....renders the question , of birthplace irrelevant.


66 posted on 12/09/2008 10:29:19 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Assuming his DNA father as the man born in Kenya.....

There was another conjecture that actually his real father was the Commie...(forget his name ) and I think he was a US Citizen....

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Could that be why Obama is fighting to hide his Hawaii COLB....?????

Of course he is now elected...?

67 posted on 12/09/2008 10:32:38 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You win the debate!
68 posted on 12/09/2008 10:35:00 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Americans should lead America, its the right way.)
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To: Jay777; doc1019

Nutshell version: Petitioner’s contention is that since Barack’s father was NOT a citizen, Barack himself is not a “natural born citizen”.

Don’t blow it off yet, keep reading.

Fact, admitted by Obama’s FactCheck.org: Obama’s father was a British subject, and NOT a citizen of the USA.

The case questions whether someone can be deemed a “natural born citizen” if one parent is _not_ a citizen. This is a legitimate question, as the label is not clearly defined in law for anyone other than someone actually born on US soil to US-citizen parents; there is reasonable legal basis for the notion that a child born of a foreign-citizen parent is ergo subject to, er, foreign influence (a la the “anchor baby” arguments). Petitioner’s contention is that since Barack’s father was NOT a citizen, Barack himself is not a “natural born citizen”.

Put another way: petitioner contends that the term “natural born citizen” applies to someone who BOTH (A) has been born on US soil, and (B) both parents are US citizens (by birth or by naturalization). As Barack’s father was not a US citizen by any means, Barack’s citizenship is more procedural than by birth, a disqualifying distinction.

The prior case (just thrown out, and widely & badly misconstrued as the Supreme Court rejecting the “birth certificate issue” entirely) addressed this, but with hastily-included flaws which apparenly the Court did not want to deal with. This case corrects those flaws and addresses the issue in a more robust manner.

Personally, I find this very interesting, as my daughter’s mother is a Canadian citizen, and I understand the applicable laws well enough to at least doubt whether she can be deemed a “natural born citizen”. Her mother (and yes, my beloved bride) will be seriously cheesed off to learn her darling girl can’t grow up to be President Of The USA after all - hence I’d like to see it resolved as well.

The Constitutional concern is that due to the presumably close relationship between a child and parent, a parent of non-US citizenship could sway that child to act (particularly as President) in a manner not wholly beholden to the United States of America.


69 posted on 12/09/2008 10:56:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: imahawk

INDEED.

Or, As Churchill might put it . . .

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, . . . GIVE UP!


70 posted on 12/09/2008 10:58:19 AM PST by Quix (LAWLESS LEADER QUOTES FM 1900: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Eye of Unk

Wow...thanks.


71 posted on 12/09/2008 11:26:03 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If natural born citizen for constitutional purposes requires that both parents be US Citizens at childs birth....then Obama would fail that test...regardless of where his birthplace might be....renders the question , of birthplace irrelevant.

Socrates, is that you?

72 posted on 12/09/2008 3:56:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; LucyT
BIG PING!

If natural born citizen for constitutional purposes requires that both parents be US Citizens at childs birth....then Obama would fail that test...regardless of where his birthplace might be....renders the question , of birthplace irrelevant.

73 posted on 12/09/2008 4:10:37 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Aloha Ernest!

Who knows what's on the Certificate of Birth but what's more important is whether there's a Certification of Live Birth, signed by the doctor, the parents, and submitted by the hospital of record to the State Registrar. Personally, I don't think one exists.

Funny thing on the local radio news this morning; Chinoye Fukino and another official reportedly re verified that Obama's Certificate of Birth is on record and that he was born in Hawaii. (BTW, did I mention that Obama is or was here. $eems these statements by Fukino always come out when he's around.)

He may have left to respond to some other arresting development in the mainland. Not sure.
74 posted on 12/09/2008 5:19:50 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: Canedawg; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; LucyT
There were cases of 'natural born citizen' that were adjudicated and entered into case law on another thread. Perhaps Lucy can lead us to them.

Essentially they involve a child born to an American citizen and an immigrant who became a naturalized citizen, the judgment was that the child was a natural born citizen. In the case of two immigrants who became naturalized citizens, the judgment was also that the child was a natural born citizen. However in cases involving an American citizen and an immigrant not naturalized or to immigrants not naturalized, the child born in the US was not a natural born citizen.
75 posted on 12/09/2008 5:35:52 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: BIGLOOK
I think I came across a web site ...where those cases were laid out.... not finding that one .,...but these have material to munch on!!!!

Googling:

# # Defining Natural-Born Citizen - The Federalist Blog

And:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

And:

OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS BRITISH CITIZEN AT BIRTH - AS SUCH OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF US

More:

www.NaturalBornCitizen.org

76 posted on 12/09/2008 6:06:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Got through one.....munching in progress.

Thanks!
77 posted on 12/09/2008 6:13:26 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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From:

HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH - PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH

We have a precedent....

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December 6, 2008  6:36 PM

[I have collaborated on this with my sister and historian Greg Dehler, author of  "Chester Allan Arthur", Published by Nova Science Publishers, Incorporated, 2006  ISBN 1600210791, 9781600210792  192 pages. ]

I’ve been forwarded the actual naturalization record for William Arthur on microfiche, obtained from the Library of Congress.   He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843.

Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage.  President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843.  But Chester Arthur was born in 1829.  Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.

78 posted on 12/09/2008 6:15:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think I’ll post that on the readers digest thread so newbies can catch up.


79 posted on 12/09/2008 6:18:56 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: All
And this one:

THE RELEVANT OBAMA ADMISSION

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« “PRESIDENT?” CHESTER ARTHUR et al - WHY THEY AREN’T PRECEDENT FOR OBAMA’S ELIGIBILITY

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THE RELEVANT OBAMA ADMISSION

THE RELEVANT OBAMA ADMISSION

At Barack Obama’s web site, the following admission:

“FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

‘When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…’ “

Read that last line again.

“That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children…”

That’s an admission that Great Britain “governed the status” of Barack Obama, Jr.  Brack Obama has chosen to highlight this on his own volition.

And this leads to the relevant question:

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?

A natural born citizen’s status should only be governed by the United States.  This is the core issue before the Supreme Court of the United States.

smears1

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  1. willem Says:

    Barack Obama was born a British Citizen. That he was also born an American Citizen does not mitigate.

    I don’t know how anyone gets past that.

    British Citizenship at birth was unquestionably something the Framers excluded by their use of the restrictor “Natural Born Citizen” in Article II.

    Were it not excluded, there would have been no need for the specific grandfathering of those who were American Citizens at the time the Constitution was adopted.

  2. John Says:

    And that (plus the NJ SOTS admission that she did not fact check POTUS candidates constitutional qualifications) in a nutshell is the core issue of Donofrio v Wells.

    That said, it is also interesting to note that at the top of the very same page on FighttheSmears.com, the campaign went out of its way to use a term that SOUNDS like ‘natural born citizen’, instead they stated that Obama is a ‘native born citizen’. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think ‘native born citizen’ has any legal definition, and it certainly isn’t the same as ‘natural born citizen, which is what appears in the Constitution.

  3. Linda Melin Says:

    I find it quite interesting that they/Obama/fightthesmears chose these words to preface their cause to Obama’s citizenship:

    quote “Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t actually about that piece of paper — they’re about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America. ” unquote

    “Native” citizenship has been proven to mean something very different than “Natural Born” thus another blunder on Obam’s plight to decieve the public about his inelgibilty problem. Right there at the beginning.

    I had never gone to the fightthesmears site, only the factcheck.org, interesting, did I miss this on the factcheck site too?


80 posted on 12/09/2008 6:21:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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