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Supreme Court rejects Obama case
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/120808zor.pdf ^

Posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:24 AM PST by cycle of discernment

too bad


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 911truth; bho; birthcertificate; blackhelicopters; certifigate; cfr; choomgang; colb; conspiracy; conspiracytheories; conspiracytheorists; conspiracytheory; deathofthewest; donofrio; lawsuit; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; pok; ronpaul; ruling; scotus; tinfoil; tinfoilhats; ussc
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To: PubliusMM
Don't live in fear, just learn to live with what the democrat party has changed the grand experiment into, because the Republic once held together by the contract written so long ago is no more. Your fellow U.S citizens didn't care enough about this usurpation to even want to hear about it, so the next step is learning how to manage life under the new oligarchy of the democrats. I'm just sure these well-meaning naysayers and ridiculing wiseacres will help you get acclimated.
381 posted on 12/08/2008 9:33:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: bronxboy

Are you so delusional that the Republicans won’t be blamed when all that stuff happens anyway?

They are already lining up the “bad economy Obama was handed by Bush” mantra.


382 posted on 12/08/2008 9:34:36 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: EagleUSA

Look if Obama was born in Hawaii, and I think he was. The guy bringing this case thought he was, there is no case. I am absolutely against changing what constitutes a natural born American. This case was all about getting rid of Obama and really has nothing to do with the constitution. Whether his Mother took him to wherever and whatever happened...he was born on US soil period. It’s over. If you truly support the constitution, accept it and wage the good fight for the next election.


383 posted on 12/08/2008 9:35:19 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: autumnraine

Republicans will be blamed- no doubt. But if all the sudden we had no President Elect, it would get much worse...and the consequences to Repubs would be much worse.


384 posted on 12/08/2008 9:36:45 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy

He was elected by the MSM. They swept him into office. 99% of people voting for him knew virtually nothing about him, only what the media wanted them to hear, all just wonderful, great change & hope, he was the Second Coming. He won’t even show his birth certificate. Produced a fake on the net which gullible people think is the real thing.


385 posted on 12/08/2008 9:37:49 AM PST by luvadavi (Important old novel: The Moon Is Down, John Steinbeck, 1942)
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To: Kevmo
The four dissenting Justices in the obscenity cases DID force the Court to take several cases, which all lost by identical 5-4 votes. Finally, the 4 resorted to filing dissents, rather than forcing more cases to be heard.

It wasn't politics. It was practicality. As Einstein remarked, it is foolish to keep repeating what you've done before, expecting the outcome to be different.

John / Billybob

386 posted on 12/08/2008 9:39:23 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Larest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: MHGinTN

How about planning for future elections? Run good candidates-do what you have to in order to win back voters. The GOP is not owed votes, they must earn them. Most people on this board do not believe the GOP has governed properly neither did the electorate. There is going to be pain and things we hate. This should motivate us to get back in the game.


387 posted on 12/08/2008 9:39:26 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: rlmorel
CharacterCounts, as a citizen of this country, whose life is DIRECTLY affected by the actions Barack Obama, do you disagree that I do NOT have "standing"?

Its not me who is disagreeing. I am merely stating what the requirements have always been to get into court. Don't shoot the messenger, because you don't like the message.

In order to have standing you must be able to allege in injury greater than the rest of us. If you are just one of 360 million people claiming injury, you lack standing. This not my opinion - I am merely telling the law. The purpose of the law is to prevent groups from tying up the legal system by filing countless lawsuits. In 2000, the court dismissed a couple of private citizens lawsuits against against Bush for the same reason of no standing.

388 posted on 12/08/2008 9:39:33 AM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: jveritas

The “beyond any reasonable doubt” standard of proof would not apply to these cases.

The burden of proof in civil (not criminal) cases is a preponderance of the evidence- a mere tipping of the scales.

In some cases, depending on the nature of the claim, the standard is “clear and convincing” evidence.

Both of those standards are less burdensome than “beyond any reasonable doubt”.


389 posted on 12/08/2008 9:39:55 AM PST by Canedawg ("The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it")
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To: LS

You’re a liar. If you had been ‘on this since the election’ you would have known Donofrio v Wells was not about a birth certificate. Crawl back into your hidey hole.


390 posted on 12/08/2008 9:40:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: LucyT

This is just propaganda to try to make Obama look more like a centrist.


391 posted on 12/08/2008 9:41:48 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: autumnraine
The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).

"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

If you wish to maintain the allegation that Obama was born "out of the country" (for which you offer no proof), then you'd have to consider subsection 7 of the same act:

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
 

(b) Any person who is a national and citizen of the United States at birth under paragraph (7) of subsection (a), shall lose his nationality and citizenship unless he shall come to the United States prior to attaining the age of twenty-three years and shall immediately following any such coming be continuously physically present in the United State(s) for at least five years: Provided, That such physical presence follows the attainment of the age of fourteen years and precedes the age of twenty-eight years.

I believe Obama's mother was born on an Army base in in 1942, making her a citizen under the provisions of The Act of March 16, 1956, (70 Stat. 50).  Barack was born in 1961.

So even in this event, how would he not be a citizen within the meaning of the Act?
 

392 posted on 12/08/2008 9:42:02 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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if only the justices would read freerepublic...


393 posted on 12/08/2008 9:42:20 AM PST by isom35
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To: cycle of discernment

/mark


394 posted on 12/08/2008 9:42:48 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: EagleUSA
it is CLEAR that the SCOTUS is more interested in politics, than it is upholding the LAW OF THE CONSTITUTION.

Thank you President George W. Bush for your SCOTUS appointments. Clearly they did a lot of good in changing the make-up of the court.

395 posted on 12/08/2008 9:44:36 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Grampa Dave

LOL!


396 posted on 12/08/2008 9:44:40 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: sharkhawk

Apparently, there is also “native born,” a third type. John McCain, for example, was not native born. He was, however, natural born.


397 posted on 12/08/2008 9:45:27 AM PST by Technical Editor
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To: jveritas

A couple of questions for you...

I understand that, in a civil case, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff, just as in a criminal case the burden lays on the prosecution. In the case of an applicant for a position, isn’t the burden on the applicant, and not on the employer? I’m not a lawyer, nor well versed in legalese, so I ask out of simple ignorance.

Also, in a civil case, isn’t the burden the “preponderence of evidence”, as opposed to “beyond a reasonable doubt”? In this specific instance, there is no evidence presented in the affirmative for Obama (IMO), because he refuses to provide any.

Thanks in advance for any answers you may be able to give.


398 posted on 12/08/2008 9:45:27 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: luvadavi

I campaigned for McCain in Ohio. people had heard about Rev. Wright, Ayers etc-all of it They did not care. Ohio is hurting; when McCain went to Michigan and said. ‘these jobs aren’t coming back’ it was over in the Mid West. I don’t like McCain, but he is a Republican. Republicans slammed the door in my face after yelling at me about trade agreements, bail outs, the economy.

There were signs all over ‘Repubs for Obama’. My town is one of those Repub areas in Ohio. I have to tell you, the way Pres. Bush is acting lately like his job is done is making people even madder. If things don’t change I might vote for a third party candidate next time. The GOP must get their act together now and plan for the future-solve problems people care about. Drop the BC stuff and move on.


399 posted on 12/08/2008 9:45:27 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: ExSoldier
The Gov of Hawaii is a Republican? I didn't know that. Must be a RINO

The Gov is a friend of Palin, she introduced her at the GOP convention

400 posted on 12/08/2008 9:46:12 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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