Supreme Court Silent on Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Chicagoist ^ | December 5, 2008

[ckilmer]

December 5, 2008

Supreme Court Silent on Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuit

The Supreme Court made no announcement today whether or not it will hear Donofrio v. Wells, the lawsuit challenging the election based on Barack Obama's release - or alleged lack thereof - of his official birth certificate and his citizenship status. (The court did decide to hear two cases, one of which is the case of Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, an Al Qaeda combatant seized on American soil.) Of course, there's no guarantee the Court will ever actually issue any statement on the Obama case since it was simply petitioned to the court and, along with hundreds of other cases, could be dismissed without any comment at all. But as Frank James, over at The Swamp, says, "the lack of an announcement doesn't mean the court definitely won't hear Donofrio." So either we will or we won't. Hmm.

Meanwhile, our comrades at our sister site DCist scoped out a protest held by supporters of the Donofrio cause at the Supreme Court this morning led by Roger Bredow, who claims Obama has duel citizenship.

The Supreme Court will announce whether it will actually consider the Obama lawsuit as early as today and as late as Monday. If (as expected) the Court tosses the suit, Bredow will start challenging Obama's legitimacy based on "foreign money that went into his campaign." Other protestors said they'd start contacting members of the Electoral College. Steve Brindle, who drove down from Pennsylvania, said he'd called his senators yesterday.

"There aren't a lot of people out here today," said Brindle. "There are a lot of people talking about this back home. Really, everyone's asking questions."

Of course, only 15 to 20 people showed so...yeah.

Either way, nothing will ever outweigh the rage we felt this morning when we read that Obama has allegedly chosen a Zune over an iPod. We're whipping up a petition as we speak and expect a protest very, very soon.

Photo by Dave Weigel courtesy of our pals at DCist

[joygrace]

http://therothshow.com/home07.htm

Leo Donofrio is coming on this radio show at 8:00pm EST.

[B4Ranch]

>We will wait until Monday and pray...prayer does work!!!!<

Pray that the Justices will find the courage to do the right thing for America.

[freekitty]

Well, while you are preaching to the choir, got any ideas what we do?

[Iron Munro]

This country wasn't lost on 11/4/2008, nor in 2006.
It was lost a little bit at a time, every last week in May over the past 40 years when another batch of Seniors graduated government school.

How true.

When rational people let the resentful losers from the sixties take over the school system the battle was lost.

Now we have the likes of Bill Ayres in professorships.

[kenboy]

I agree that the only argument to be made is that his father's citizenship makes Obama himself NOT a natural-born-citizen, though I believe that argument fails, both for practical reasons and for reasons of the law.

From a practical standpoint, I think the court is loathe to define the term; they've avoided explicitly doing so at every previous occasion, and I don't see them wanting to do so now.

From a legal standpoint, based on Jay's letter to Washington, the lack of debate about the phrase being included in the constitution, and the common law usage of the word at the time, I believe the phrase's meaning was clearly understood at the time -- natural born citizen meant all those born in the United States other than children of diplomats or hostile occupying forces. If they'd wanted to refuse American-born children of foreigners, the constitution would have said natural-born citizens of OTHER COUNTRIES were ineligible. Instead, it said the opposite -- that natural born citizens of this country were.

[Vendome]

Actually, if we presume that he was born in Hawaii but adopted by his Indonesian stepfather there would be a record of the legal prodeeding in Hawaii as well as Indonesia. Especially if he was an American you would see plenty of records of his identity transmiting to Indonesia and vice a versa.

I am speaking from experience as I was born in California but my adoption, by my stepfather, took place in Nevada. There are records in both places so that my personage is legally consistent in CA and NV. I cannot be challenged as the records show what happened including transcript of my in front of the Judge asking if this is what I wanted.

So he still has three BC’s at a minimum.

[hoosiermama]

This is NOT going away. Criminal and civil defense attorneys start your engines.

And the first person to start spreading his wealth aroung is BO paying all those legal fees.....Talk about a boost to the economy.

[ckilmer]

The GOP senators prevented Obama from inserting that text. It was clearly set up to try to achieve the result of having a legislative text (although it would have been unconstitutional, I’m sure, if it was ever tested) giving Barry cover. He was the one who proposed the text.

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This was posted before: Third from the bottom was inserted by obama. Its an outright lie.

S. Res. 511

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a "natural born Citizen" of the United States;

Whereas the term "natural born Citizen", as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the "natural born Citizen" clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term "natural born Citizen";

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a "natural born Citizen" under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

clinton obama sponsor mccain citizenship bill

[Katarina]

Thank you for this thread and the information.

[Calpernia]

Washington Time had an article on it.

[suijuris]

I see you just signed up to FR today to give us your enlightend two sense worth. Either you are a troll or just totally ignorant. If number 2, please do your homework before spouting off.

[infool7]

Whole lotta good it's gonna do in the Daley soviet republic of Blag0bammastan but I sent this letter to all of my Illinois (apparatchiks) electors. At least I feel I have done my civic duty and provided an example for my childeren to follow. I'll put up a good fight when they come to take me away. It was wonderful living in a free(republic) country while it lasted.

Dear Elector

I believe the campaign to elect Barak Hussein Obama has been fraudulently funded there is insufficient transparency in the accounts of his organization to make a reasonable determination. This leads me to believe that the funding sources may be largely foreign and have rendered Barak Hussein Obama ineligible for the office of President of the United States of America.

Additionally there is good reason to believe that Barack Hussein Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen and absolutely no clear, convincing, credible evidence has been presented to refute the charges. Instead lawyers have been paid large sums of money to stonewall, stall and distort the clear and simple facts spelled out in plain terms in our precious constitution  

There is more than a hint but a strong stench of impropriety.

The Federalist #68 Paragraph 5 by Alexander Hamiliton as it relates to the Electorial College and why you have been asked to choose the President.

"Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from THE DESIRE OF FOREIGN POWERS TO GAIN AN IMPROPER ASCENDANT IN OUR COUNCILS. HOW COULD THEY BETTER GRATIFY THIS, THAN BY RAISING A CREATURE OF THEIR OWN TO THE CHIEF MAGISTRACY OF THE UNION? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devoltion to the President in office. . . . Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias."

Do not let this great state of Illinois become a party to the undoing of the greatest document in the history of civilization. Do not allow our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to become the next technicality to be eroded. Do not cast your vote for Barak Hussein Obama because he is an ineligible candidate and will purger himself in taking the oath of office.

Sincerely

[hoosiermama]

IIRC, Leo has his mother’s divorce record from Soroteo. Two children are listed in the paperwork.

[mnehring]

This was posted before: Third from the bottom was inserted by obama. Its an outright lie.

Not sure if I understand your point, are you saying that Obama inserted it is an outright lie or the statement itself is the lie?

[seekthetruth]

Read updates at Leo’s web site. He will be on Plains at 9:00Eastern and with Geroge Noory at 1:00Eastern.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

http://www.plainsradio.com/

[Radix]

"Well, even if the American citizen doesn't get his day in court since NO ONE has standing, at least a non-American muzzl'em terrorist DOES."

We should anticipate a "crime wave" of sorts the moment that President Obama signs into law anything.

There will be at least a few lawyers working come 21 January 2009.

Get the popcorn ready.

[Calpernia]

Welcome to FR.....Bwah, ha ha ha

[fightinJAG]

Exactly why you would think the SCOTUS would take up the issue. It is so very relevant for both Obamafraud and McCain.

If the case meets standards for Supreme Court review, I am confident they will review it. Maybe not on the merits right away, but they might remand it or some other such action as I mentioned. They also could deny the petition for cert. and STILL issue an explanation of what the problem is, if any, and who needs to fix it.

God I hope so, at the very least, but this still doesn’t clear up the matter of “staying” the national election or electoral college but we’ve got to get to the truth somehow or other.

In my opinion, our system of peacefully transferring power will work, regardless if it were activated before or after an inauguration. I think it is way beyond necessary to view this in terms of "staying" the election. Even if a President were found ineligible after he took office, we have a procedure for filling the office if the president becomes "unable" to serve. Sure, it might get a little messy, but we would get through it okay.

I am hoping the SCOTUS gives some guidance on this area of the law, regardless of whether they take the case, and that they address the fact that we are in a very perilous situation when the Congress has not enacted a process for verifying, challenging and remedying the harm from lack of eligiblity.

I also am hoping the SCOTUS returns the case to NJ with the order for the lower court to interpret the statutory provisions applicable to the SOS re the presidential ballot and then make findings of fact as to whether the SOS fulfilled that duty. Then the SCOTUS, if need be, would have a legal finding and application to review.

In the meantime, if the NJ court had to do as above, Donofrio could then make further arguments that the statutory duty includes applying the "natural born citizen" standard of the Constitution---which then makes the SOS/NJ court define it---which then gives the SCOTUS something to review for legality/constitutionality.

[fightinJAG]

I agree with you there. The issue is too convoluted, both on the facts and the law, for people to weigh in against Obama on this.

I am reluctant to do so on that same basis.

That said, I am militating for the SCOTUS to give us some guidance here and address the deficiencies in our process. And if they do, and it turns out to be that Obama is not eligible, there would be no lack of support for the peaceful transfer of power under our laws to someone who is eligible.

[Radix]

From that article.....

"“He was posted there on orders from the United States government,” Mr. Graham said of Mr. McCain’s father. “If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can’t be president if they take an overseas assignment.”

I suppose if one thinks about it, an argument could be made that the Founding Fathers seriously did not want Americans (even of military families) being born in other countries.