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New regulation eases ban on guns in national parks
AP through Google ^ | 12/5/2008 | MATTHEW DALY

Posted on 12/05/2008 11:19:07 AM PST by P8riot

People will now be able to carry concealed weapons in some national parks and wildlife refuges.

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To: Soliton

These are NATIONAL parks


21 posted on 12/05/2008 11:44:38 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: AlaskaErik

...at which point a legal response will have even better chance of winning, having seen the “compelling government interest” claim emasculated. The defense will have a hard time claiming a “compelling government interest” when the selfsame government eliminated, just months before re-instatement, the restriction after trying it for 25 years.


22 posted on 12/05/2008 11:44:51 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: CDHart

If your state allows open carry you would be able to carry.


23 posted on 12/05/2008 11:45:55 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Bingo. 46 days til the executive pen starts flowing against us.


24 posted on 12/05/2008 11:48:04 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: P8riot
No...it must be in the state that the PARK is located in...

The final rule, which updates existing regulations, would allow an individual to carry a concealed weapon in national parks and wildlife refuges if, and only if, the individual is authorized to carry a concealed weapon under state law in the state in which the national park or refuge is located.

25 posted on 12/05/2008 11:50:07 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Good news. Read FReeper ctdonath2's summary in post #8.

We'll see how long it takes the Obama administration to reverse this policy...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

26 posted on 12/05/2008 11:54:24 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: P8riot
We in the VCDL started this ball rolling about 3 or 4 yrs ago

I remember that as I was living in VA at the time, and active in the VCDL.

27 posted on 12/05/2008 11:56:58 AM PST by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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This is GREAT news.

But, if I’m walking around the National Park and walk into the Visitor Center... is that not a Federal Building?


28 posted on 12/05/2008 12:00:16 PM PST by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks Joe, terrific news indeed. A very big win.


29 posted on 12/05/2008 12:01:27 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: P8riot

I can’t believe it...you mean now I can actually defend myself when I run across armed Mexican drug cartels growing dope in the forests next to me? Cool.


30 posted on 12/05/2008 12:02:26 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: P8riot

Phil VanCleave is THE MAN.


31 posted on 12/05/2008 12:04:11 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
I f - t h e - s t a t e - w h e r e - t h e - N a t i o n a l - P a r k - i s - l o c a t e d - a l l o w s - c a r r y - y o u - c a n - c a r r y.
32 posted on 12/05/2008 12:06:09 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
The final rule, which updates existing regulations, would allow an individual to carry a concealed weapon in national parks and wildlife refuges if, and only if, the individual is authorized to carry a concealed weapon under state law in the state in which the national park or refuge is located.

Another good reason to get non-resident permits and investigate LTCF reciprocity agreements.

33 posted on 12/05/2008 12:11:57 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: P8riot
The actual rule change:
Title 36, Chapter 1, Part 2.4(h) Notwithstanding any other provision in this Chapter, a person may possess, carry, and transport concealed, loaded, and operable firearms within a national park area in accordance with the laws of the state in which the national park area, or that portion thereof, is located, except as otherwise prohibited by applicable federal law.

Title 50, Chapter 1, Part 27.42(e) Notwithstanding any other provision in this Chapter, persons may possess, carry, and transport concealed, loaded, and operable firearms within a national wildlife refuge in accordance with the laws of the state in which the wildlife refuge, or that portion thereof, is located, except as otherwise prohibited by applicable federal law.

Now, to make two key points abundantly clear:

- ONLY CONCEALED CARRY IS ALLOWED
- STATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY

For the thick among us, that means:

- Open carry is not allowed (as in you don't reveal the thing unless you have a very good compelling reason to)
- State law is not trumped in any way

34 posted on 12/05/2008 12:15:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: AuntB

Yes, insofar as a 9mm vs. an AK is better than a sharp stick.


35 posted on 12/05/2008 12:17:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: P8riot

Great! I’ve always hated being chased by a bear or cougar into a National Forest (where guns are legal) so I could defend myself ....


36 posted on 12/05/2008 12:17:30 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: P8riot
Great news!

Quite frankly, with the incoming fascist, er, Obama Administration ready to chop off heads, I didn't think they would have the nerve to do this. At least somebody has some stones.

Well done!!

37 posted on 12/05/2008 12:19:13 PM PST by Gritty (The right to keep and bear arms is the palladium of the liberties of a republic-Justice Joseph Story)
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To: ctdonath2

OK, I stand corrected.


38 posted on 12/05/2008 12:22:02 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: SkyDancer

Watching my wife almost walk into a bear kinda brought the whole issue into stark perspective...


39 posted on 12/05/2008 12:22:33 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: P8riot

I’m often amused at how difficult it is to find the actual text of a law/rule/bill amid all the chatter about it...


40 posted on 12/05/2008 12:23:51 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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