Posted on 12/05/2008 10:18:12 AM PST by STARWISE
Anywho big deal. I don't like playing ping everyone to attack a possible troll or someone who does not agree with me, games. This was my point.
I was talking with someone at the gym today about this and he asked me how Obama got a passport without a certified birth certificate. I couldn’t answer that one. Anyone know when he first got a passport and if it is possible to get one without a certified birth certificate?
I have a foreign birth certificate with a a Gov’t Form from the State Department indicating that I am an American Citizen Born Abroad (or something along those lines).
Yes, and you’re right about the passport (because we foreign born babies needed a passport to get home to the US).
There was also a precedent set long before McCain with a president elected whose parents were diplomats....McCain is a natural born citizen....
There was also a precedent set long before McCain with a president elected whose parents were diplomats....McCain is a natural born citizen....
Please explain because I do not believe McCain is a “natural born” citizen. Thanks!
“I wish John McCain would have run a decent campaign but the election is over.”
Only the general election is over. The Electoral College election is not.
Thank you, Founding Fathers! This little time delay between the two elections is turning out to be most important.
If the winner of the election is not qualified to be president,the election would be nullified, and we would have a whole new election.
The Acting president would be Nancy Pelosi,until the next election is held, which would likely be next November.
Now wouldn;t THAT be intersting?
If the election were not declared a nullity, then McCain would win by default, but I can hardly see that happening, if the court hears these issues. We would likely have a new election.
There is no provision for a new election in the Constitution. If Obama were declared ineligible after the electoral college certifies him, then Biden would take office on Jan. 20. If Oprah’s Choice were declared ineligible before Dec. 15, the electors would make their choices and could select anyone for president, but only Biden for vice president.
No such thing as a “special” presidential election
I will never concede his elegibility. The reason why is that he has concealed his true place of birth, and spent a million bucks doing it.
If due process results in his being found to be born in the USA , for example, Because THAT WAS DETERMINED BY THE STATE OF HAWAII AND WE ACCEPT HAWAII LAW FOR ARTICLE II AS A STATE RIGHT, ( rather than looking into his actual physical place of birth), that will result in a horrible future for our nation.
I will fight him clear down the line , just the way Bush was teated, and give Obama even more than the Dems have handed out to Bush.
He will NEVER be my president.
Tell SCOTUS that. ;-)
Don't you want to see Palin running again? LOL.
Thanks for the ping, I tried a couple and did not find it.
No; they are two specifications included in the case. The Court could rule that McCain -- as all Diplomats families offspring are -- qualifies as a 'natural-born' citizen, whereas Obama's Kenyan father negates his claim to 'natural-born' status.
However, Donofrio's case is not asking the USSC to rule on that point yet; he is asking the Court to mandate that the Secretary of the State of New Jersey verify the qualifications of the candidates before allowing the NJ Electors to cast their votes in the NJ Electoral College vote on December 15. The NJ SoS did not do that, and the NJ State Courts punted him off, so his only recourse was the USSC. Legally, I believe he will win, but I doubt it will make the NJ SoS disqualify anyone.
But it will be interesting. :^)
Donofrio claims McCain is not a natural born citizen because he was born outside the U.S. In order to rule against Donofrio, the court would have to agree that McCain is a natural born U.S. citizen because federal law correctly designated him one. That is, he is a natural born citizen because he was born of two U.S. citizens who had lived in the states prior to his birth. If the court upholds that part of the law then how can they overturn the other section that says Obama is a natural born citizen because he was born in Hawaii? Not to mention overturning earlier Supreme Court decisions that said that the nationality of the father in Obama's case was irrelevant?
However, Donofrio's case is not asking the USSC to rule on that point yet; he is asking the Court to mandate that the Secretary of the State of New Jersey verify the qualifications of the candidates before allowing the NJ Electors to cast their votes in the NJ Electoral College vote on December 15.
Does he cite the specific New Jersey law that says she's required to do so?
Legally, I believe he will win, but I doubt it will make the NJ SoS disqualify anyone.
I doubt that his case will preceed any further.
I understand your statement,but believe you are missing one point. He will NEVER be my President either but my reason is the fact that EVEN IF he was born on US soil (Hawaii) he is STILL NOT a “natural born” citizen because his father was NOT a citizen. So I do not even need to see his original birth certificate. The COLB Obama released says it all. With his father from Kenya and Obama being born in Hawaii, just makes him a citizen but NOT a “natural born” citizen because his father was not a US citizen.
That is why Leo Donofrio’s case is so strong. Obama’s place of birth is only ONE of the criteria he must meet. The place of birth must be ON US SOIL. The OTHER criteria is that his parents MUST BE US CITIZENS. His father wasn't!
McCain does not meet both of the criteria either. He meets one, and that is his parents were US citizens. But evidence shows that McCain was NOT born on US soil. The only way McCain would be considered “natural born” would be if there is proof he was born on a US base AND if that base was deemed US soil. According to Leo Donofrio, that is not the case.
I do have to wonder why the RNC and McCain never brought up Obama’s problem of not being a “natural born” US citizen. The only reason I can come up with is that they knew McCain did not qualify as a “natural born” citizen either. I honor McCain for his service to our country and supported him. This feeling I have that he was complicit in this cover up makes me extremely disappointed in him and EVERYONE in our government who obviously knew. To think that so many would trash our Constitution is hard to deal with.
I have to trust that our Supreme Court Justices will uphold our Constitution and do what is right.
for all the belly aching, people have lost sight of something very simple.
0bama could end all speculation by simply showing the birth certificate, just like John McCain did when asked the same question around the same time last spring.
so... what you really need to ask yourself is... why all the stonewalling? that in itself should give you pause.
It's not hard at all to figure out why Obama's fighting all these suits.
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