I frankly don’t care at this point. If this issue was going to be pursued, it needed to pursued intensely and professionally BEFORE the election, and really before the Democratic convention. There is simply nothing to be gained at this point by proving that he is not a “natural born citizen”. The only possibly outcome is extreme political destabilization of the US, during a time of extreme economic and political instability around the world. The only people who could possibly benefit from this are terrorists.
President-elect Obama is immensely popular right now, and a SCOTUS ruling that he is ineligible to be President would be quickly followed by a Constitutional amendment changing the eligibility requirements so that he becomes eligible. The votes are there, and the process would be fast-tracked — I’d vote for it, simply to avoid the dangerous destabilization of the US that could literally lead to the demise of the nation. I really think the “conservatives” who are jumping on this bandwagon are allowing themselves to be used as the proverbial “useful idiots” by forces whose chief aim is the destabilization of the US.
Just like extending the term of the Presidency through amendment would not apply to a sitting president, such an amendment that you speak of would not affect 0bama.
There were plenty of people trying to do something BEFORE the election and we were poo poo’d into not focusing on this, but the ISSUES.
But we were also told it doesn’t matter UNLESS he is elected as he has done nothing wrong if not elected.
So now that he is, we should just let it go? Because he was elected?
Color me confused.
And seriously, the Consitution is important and popularity shouldn’t override the Constitution.
This was professional pursued before the election. The Dems and Obama blocked, and misdirected the federal law suite. Do a search on Berg.
Also I cant see that you understand the constitution. It takes a constitutional amendment to change the birth requirement. That takes 3/4 of the states voting on it to ratify it. The votes are not there.
This is truly a constitutional crisis. Wake up.
It was, certainly before the election, and more than likely upon his announcement to run.
The only possibly outcome is extreme political destabilization of the US, during a time of extreme economic and political instability around the world. The only people who could possibly benefit from this are terrorists.
So, the Constitution is invalid?
President-elect Obama is immensely popular right now, and a SCOTUS ruling that he is ineligible to be President would be quickly followed by a Constitutional amendment changing the eligibility requirements so that he becomes eligible.
Popularity has nothing to do with the rule of law, more specifically, the primary law of the land.
I don't think there are enough states willing to defy their conservative bases to muster a constitutional amendment.
I really think the “conservatives” who are jumping on this bandwagon are allowing themselves to be used as the proverbial “useful idiots” by forces whose chief aim is the destabilization of the US.
The majority of the useful idiots are the ones who created the potential Constitutional crisis and failed to vet their candidate. The remainder are those "conservatives" who are willing to abandon the Constitution for convenience.
If this issue was going to be pursued, it needed to pursued intensely and professionally BEFORE the election
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It was ,, in fact the election hasn’t yet occurred..
President-elect Obama is ...
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Sorry ,, he is not president elect until the electors vote ... rules rules rules ... it doesn’t matter what the graphic he puts up in front of himself reads
a Constitutional amendment changing the eligibility requirements ...would be fast-tracked — I’d vote for it, to avoid the dangerous destabilization of the US that could literally lead to the demise of the nation.
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you’re delusional if you think codifying RAT rulebreaking will stabilize the USA ... you’d be throwing out our foundation , the rule of law.
I really think the “conservatives” who are jumping on this bandwagon are allowing themselves to be used as the proverbial “useful idiots” by forces whose chief aim is the destabilization of the US.
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By running a communist on the RAT ticket Soros had a win-win ,, in some small sense you’re right but we cannot allow his eligibility (either yea or nay) to go undiscovered..
Do you think they can get a Constitutional Amendment approved by Dec 15 2008?
No it won’t.
Do you have any idea how difficult the Founding Fathers in their wisdom made the mechanism of amending the Constitution?
Constitutional amendments cannot be "fast-tracked," given that they require ratification by three-quarters of the state legislatures, in addition to a two thirds vote by the House of Representatives.
So that would mean that we would not have a lawful president in office during that process, which even under the best of circumstances, would have to be pretty lengthy.
Tragically, if it turns out that OBama is not Constitutionally eligible (I'm still open on this point), the media and the Democrats will blame the Constitution and the "racist" Supreme Court, instead of blaming Obama for a despicable lack of character in deliberately lying to the American people to mount a fraudulent run for office and plunging the nation into an unprecedented constitutional crisis.
Obama won the popular vote by 53%. That's hardly a landslide.
[...] a SCOTUS ruling that he is ineligible to be President would be quickly followed by a Constitutional amendment changing the eligibility requirements so that he becomes eligible. The votes are there, and the process would be fast-tracked — I’d vote for it, simply to avoid the dangerous destabilization of the US that could literally lead to the demise of the nation.
Reality check: you don't vote for a Constitutional amendment.
It's a multi-step process, which can initially take two tracks:
And it certainly won't happen in a short period of time. Many state legislatures aren't even in session.
I agree that this should have been pursued before the election. And it was... but the courts ignored the issue. So now we have a potential crisis, but it's not the fault of the people pursuing it.
Have you ever read history? Ask the French how they did with a foreign born leader like Napoleon. Ask the Germans how they did with a foreign born leader like Hitler. The installation of a foreign born leader signifies the end of a country. This is not France, this is not Germany; this is the United States of America.