Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Science's Alternative to an Intelligent Creator: the Multiverse Theory
Discover ^ | Nov 26, 2008 | Tim Folger

Posted on 11/27/2008 11:21:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Our universe is perfectly tailored for life. That may be the work of God or the result of our universe being one of many.

Linde’s recent research has helped solidify the connection between string theory and the multiverse. Some physicists have long embraced the notion that the extra dimensions of string theory play a key role in shaping the properties of new universes spawned during eternal chaotic inflation. When a new universe sprouts from its parent, the concept goes, only three of the dimensions of space predicted by string theory will inflate into large, full-blown, inhabitable spaces. The other dimensions of space will remain essentially invisible—but nonetheless will influence the form the universe takes. Linde and his colleagues figured out how the invisible dimensions stayed compact and went on to propose billions of permutations, each giving rise to a unique universe.

Linde’s ideas may make the notion of a multiverse more plausible, but they do not prove that other universes are really out there. The staggering challenge is to think of a way to confirm the existence of other universes when every conceivable experiment or observation must be confined to our own. Does it make sense to talk about other universes if they can never be detected?

I put that question to Cambridge University astrophysicist Martin Rees, the United Kingdom’s Astronomer Royal. We meet at his residence at Trinity College, in rooms on the west side of a meticulously groomed courtyard, directly across from an office once occupied by Isaac Newton.

Rees, an early supporter of Linde’s ideas, agrees that it may never be possible to observe other universes directly, but he argues that scientists may still be able to make a convincing case for their existence. To do that, he says, physicists will need a theory of the multiverse that makes new but testable predictions about properties of our own universe. If experiments confirmed such a theory’s predictions about the universe we can see, Rees believes, they would also make a strong case for the reality of those we cannot. String theory is still very much a work in progress, but it could form the basis for the sort of theory that Rees has in mind.

“If a theory did gain credibility by explaining previously unexplained features of the physical world, then we should take seriously its further predictions, even if those predictions aren’t directly testable,” he says. “Fifty years ago we all thought of the Big Bang as very speculative. Now the Big Bang from one milli­second onward is as well established as anything about the early history of Earth.”

The credibility of string theory and the multiverse may get a boost within the next year or two, once physicists start analyzing results from the Large Hadron Collider, the new, $8 billion particle accelerator built on the Swiss-French border. If string theory is right, the collider should produce a host of new particles. There is even a small chance that it may find evidence for the mysterious extra dimensions of string theory. “If you measure something which confirms certain elaborations of string theory, then you’ve got indirect evidence for the multiverse,” says Bernard Carr, a cosmologist at Queen Mary University of London.

Support for the multiverse might also come from some upcoming space missions. Susskind says there is a chance that the European Space Agency’s Planck satellite, scheduled for launch early next year, could lend a hand. Some multiverse models predict that our universe must have a specific geometry that would bend the path of light rays in specific ways that might be detectable by Planck, which will analyze radiation left from the Big Bang. If Planck’s observations match the predictions, it would suggest the existence of the multiverse.

When I ask Linde whether physicists will ever be able to prove that the multiverse is real, he has a simple answer. “Nothing else fits the data,” he tells me. “We don’t have any alternative explanation for the dark energy; we don’t have any alternative explanation for the smallness of the mass of the electron; we don’t have any alternative explanation for many properties of particles.

“What I am saying is, look at it with open eyes. These are experimental facts, and these facts fit one theory: the multiverse theory. They do not fit any other theory so far. I’m not saying these properties necessarily imply the multiverse theory is right, but you asked me if there is any experimental evidence, and the answer is yes. It was Arthur Conan Doyle who said, ‘When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.’”

What About God?

For many physicists, the multiverse remains a desperate measure, ruled out by the impossibility of confirmation. Critics see the anthropic principle as a step backward, a return to a human-centered way of looking at the universe that Copernicus discredited five centuries ago. They complain that using the anthropic principle to explain the properties of the universe is like saying that ships were created so that barnacles could stick to them.

“If you allow yourself to hypothesize an almost unlimited portfolio of different worlds, you can explain anything,” says John Polkinghorne, formerly a theoretical particle physicist at Cambridge University and, for the past 26 years, an ordained Anglican priest. If a theory allows anything to be possible, it explains nothing; a theory of anything is not the same as a theory of everything, he adds.

Supporters of the multiverse theory say that critics are on the wrong side of history. “Throughout the history of science, the universe has always gotten bigger,” Carr says. “We’ve gone from geocentric to heliocentric to galactocentric. Then in the 1920s there was this huge shift when we realized that our galaxy wasn’t the universe. I just see this as one more step in the progression. Every time this expansion has occurred, the more conservative scientists have said, ‘This isn’t science.’ This is just the same process repeating itself.”

If the multiverse is the final stage of the Copernican revolution, with our universe but a speck in an infinite megacosmos, where does humanity fit in? If the life-friendly fine-tuning of our universe is just a chance occurrence, something that inevitably arises in an endless array of universes, is there any need for a fine-tuner—for a god?

“I don’t think that the multiverse idea destroys the possibility of an intelligent, benevolent creator,” Weinberg says. “What it does is remove one of the arguments for it, just as Darwin’s theory of evolution made it unnecessary to appeal to a benevolent designer to understand how life developed with such remarkable abilities to survive and breed.”

On the other hand, if there is no multiverse, where does that leave physicists? “If there is only one universe,” Carr says, “you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.”

As for Linde, he is especially interested in the mystery of consciousness and has speculated that consciousness may be a fundamental component of the universe, much like space and time. He wonders whether the physical universe, its laws, and conscious observers might form an integrated whole. A complete description of reality, he says, could require all three of those components, which he posits emerged simultaneously. “Without someone observing the universe,” he says, “the universe is actually dead.”

Yet for all of his boldness, Linde hesitates when I ask whether he truly believes that the multiverse idea will one day be as well established as Newton’s law of gravity and the Big Bang. “I do not want to predict the future,” he answers. “I once predicted my own future. I had a very firm prediction. I knew that I was going to die in the hospital at the Academy of Sciences in Moscow near where I worked. I would go there for all my physical examinations. Once, when I had an ulcer, I was lying there in bed, thinking I knew this was the place where I was going to die. Why? Because I knew I would always be living in Russia. Moscow was the only place in Russia where I could do physics. This was the only hospital for the Academy of Sciences, and so on. It was quite completely predictable.

“Then I ended up in the United States. On one of my returns to Moscow, I looked at this hospital at the Academy of Sciences, and it was in ruins. There was a tree growing from the roof. And I looked at it and I thought, What can you predict? What can you know about the future?”

Cosmic Coincidences

If these cosmic traits were just slightly altered, life as we know it would be impossible. A few examples:

• Stars like the sun produce energy by fusing two hydrogen atoms into a single helium atom. During that reaction, 0.007 percent of the mass of the hydrogen atoms is converted into energy, via Einstein’s famous e = mc2 equation. But if that percentage were, say, 0.006 or 0.008, the universe would be far more hostile to life. The lower number would result in a universe filled only with hydrogen; the higher number would leave a universe with no hydrogen (and therefore no water) and no stars like the sun.

• The early universe was delicately poised between runaway expansion and terminal collapse. Had the universe contained much more matter, additional gravity would have made it implode. If it contained less, the universe would have expanded too quickly for galaxies to form.

• Had matter in the universe been more evenly distributed, it would not have clumped together to form galaxies. Had matter been clumpier, it would have condensed into black holes.

• Atomic nuclei are bound together by the so-called strong force. If that force were slightly more powerful, all the protons in the early universe would have paired off and there would be no hydrogen, which fuels long-lived stars. Water would not exist, nor would any known form of life.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: id; intelligentdesign; multiversetheory; science
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-111 next last
To: SeekAndFind

bump for later


41 posted on 11/27/2008 12:49:39 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Since our wills move the world (example: we talk about ‘will’, and speech is a physical process), the least-complicated assumption is that will moves the world in general. It’s interesting that science assumes people and matter are part of the same system but takes no lessons about that system from our experience of ourselves.


42 posted on 11/27/2008 1:00:33 PM PST by Grut
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

That God......He’s still playing with ‘em & just stringin’ ‘em along;) If He keeps it up - they will eventually figure Him into the equation.

LOLOL!


43 posted on 11/27/2008 1:14:00 PM PST by sodpoodle (Man studies evolution to understand His creation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Many of the most important scientific theories came from religious figures, so as far as I’m concerned real science and religion aren’t at odds.


44 posted on 11/27/2008 1:18:37 PM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "Senator Government" is here)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

I’ve got a Bible and about a hundred Sun Ra records.

I’m not sure I need a Royal Astronomer too.


45 posted on 11/27/2008 1:34:17 PM PST by rogue yam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
I will grant that it might take a physicist to thoroughly understand what these guys are talking about...but it seems clear to us layman that the mechanism for this "research" is thought experiments rather than the scientific method.

I will give them credit for occasionally associating some new data to their models, but they are hardly the fulfillment of exclusive predictions, and making this a standard for establishing something as science would open a flood gate to accepting just about any speculation as science as well.

(and yes I have bounced this view off a physicist to see if my priories about this were accurate, and he admitted they were).

Ironic that naturalists take this singular instance to forget to apply their dismal misunderstanding of Ockham's Razor--where they senselessly dismiss competing views as being too complex.

46 posted on 11/27/2008 1:38:02 PM PST by AndyTheBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mtg
To say "the universe is perfect for life" is to say "I'm unable to understand that even though the circumstances of our existence are too bizarre to comprehend in any meaningfully complete way, I know for certain that if things were bizarre in a even slightly different way, life could not exist."

It's a childish line of reasoning.

47 posted on 11/27/2008 1:41:36 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Supporters of the multiverse theory say that critics are on the wrong side of history. “Throughout the history of science, the universe has always gotten bigger,” Carr says. “We’ve gone from geocentric to heliocentric to galactocentric. Then in the 1920s there was this huge shift when we realized that our galaxy wasn’t the universe. I just see this as one more step in the progression. Every time this expansion has occurred, the more conservative scientists have said, ‘This isn’t science.’ This is just the same process repeating itself.”

Ah, so bigger isn't merely always better...its also always more "scientific"...then I suppose the doctrine of transcendent God is the most scientific of all...and we just haven't realized it yet.

Even as somebody on the other side of the debate, the arguments used by naturalist are sometimes so dumb they embarrass me.

48 posted on 11/27/2008 1:47:21 PM PST by AndyTheBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny
...know for certain that if things were bizarre in a even slightly different way, life could not exist."

It isn't about "life". Its about observers.

How does a universe produce an observer?

I get how one might produce a human animal. But considering this from an abstract perspective, I would not expect a human animal to constitute an observer in any fundamental way more than a less intelligent animal or a rock.

All such subsets of a universe record and react to events, some just do it in a more sophisticated fashion.

49 posted on 11/27/2008 1:54:01 PM PST by AndyTheBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: onedoug
A multi-verse to me would make God even more likely.

I think you're one of the very few people on this thread who "gets it."

50 posted on 11/27/2008 2:08:43 PM PST by john in springfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: AndyTheBear

That’s an interesting point, and not to minimize it or try to dismiss you, it doesn’t pertain to what we were talking about.


51 posted on 11/27/2008 2:09:41 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny
Why would I read past such an incredibly ignorant statement? The author is writing out of his league.

It's a childish line of reasoning.

Psycho_Bunny, which university did you get your PhD in physics from? I'm curious, since your opinion seems to be dramatically different from everyone else I know of who has the faintest clue.

52 posted on 11/27/2008 2:12:17 PM PST by john in springfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: djf
Modern science could use a good dose of humility.

Agreed. Logically, nothing should be ruled out until there is overwhelming evidence which lasts for let's say, a couple of thousand years, and even then one should proceed with caution before assuming that the most powerful force in the universe/multiverse doesn't exist. A little respect, please.

53 posted on 11/27/2008 2:12:17 PM PST by Liberty Wins
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Scientific method.

Observe
Hypothesis
TEST
Record results

These 'scientists' are just making crap up by this time. These 'ideas' are impossible to test. Ergo, mere speculation.

54 posted on 11/27/2008 2:15:52 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: I see my hands

It’s not just that the universe is tailored for our kind of life. If any one of a fairly long list of parameters were slightly different, it wouldn’t be possible for ANY kind of life to exist. It simply wouldn’t work.


55 posted on 11/27/2008 2:17:42 PM PST by john in springfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.

where did the natural laws that regulate the formation of the multiverse come from?

56 posted on 11/27/2008 2:27:02 PM PST by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: john in springfield
I explained my perspective farther down. How am I wrong?

And, more interestingly, how could you possibly prove me wrong?

Or is your P.H.D. just in argumentum ad hominem?

57 posted on 11/27/2008 2:40:29 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Copyright 1973. (This theory was developed in the 1950's):


58 posted on 11/27/2008 2:42:37 PM PST by wideminded
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

For multiverse to be a viable alternative to a Creator, there must be other universes ( there may be), AND there must be an infinite number of such multiverses b/c the odds ours is pure chance is one in trillions (probably more as there are fine tuned laws we don’t yet know of) so pure chance needs as many multiverses as there a possible combinations of laws, AND all the multiverses must have different laws produced by chance. What law says that there must be an infinite number of other universes - why not a billion or just 18 more? What law demands that all other universes be different - why can’t some be the same or just a little different?

Belief in something that REQUIRES me to disregard all known physical laws and cannot be proved or disproved exceeds my definition of blind faith.


59 posted on 11/27/2008 2:45:21 PM PST by uscabjd ( a)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny
All you said was, "To say "the universe is 'perfect for life' is to say '...even though the circumstances of our existence are too bizarre to comprehend in any meaningfully complete way, I know for certain that if things were bizarre in a even slightly different way, life could not exist.'"

That is far from an ignorant position. Physicists, based on their knowledge of physics and the physical universe, can and do project that if any one of a fairly long list of parameters were slightly different, not only would it be impossible for our kind of life to exist, it would -- as far as we're able to determine -- be impossible for ANY kind of life to exist.

And don't talk to me about "argumentum ad hominem." You're the one who started the ad hominem attack by labeling anyone who doesn't agree with your apparently entirely UNINFORMED opinion as "incredibly ignorant" and "childish."

And no, I don't have a PhD in physics either, but at least I HAVE studied it up through quantum mechanics.

60 posted on 11/27/2008 2:48:24 PM PST by john in springfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-111 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson