Romney Socialisim Alert

Vanity Fox & Friends ^ | 11/20/08 | NavVet

[NavVet]

Romney was just interviewed on Fox and Friends and said that it was unfair that that the Big Three American Automakers were burdened by the high retirement costs and that we had to "make sure those cost were shared by the transplants (Toyota, Honda, VW etc.).

[definitelynotaliberal]

Thanks for the clarification. I would have to see him saying it before believing that he did. I hold to the trust,-but-verify dictum.

[Antoninus]

The health care you are referring to was going to happen in MA with or without him, imagine what it would have been if a liberal dem was in office when it was being designed and negotiated.

It would have failed even faster--as it is RomneyCare is already under water and on the road to bankruptcy just two years after implementation.

So Romney was the Republican implementer for Socialism. That's just great. Exactly the kind of toady we want as the standard bearer of the "conservative" party.

I've said it before--I'd rather have a known enemy in office than a false friend.

[GOP_Lady]

Please, don’t insult my intelligence.

[definitelynotaliberal]

I’m very clear I think, to the people across the Commonwealth my “R” didn’t stand so much for Republican as it does for reform.”
(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)

What is the problem, precisely, with this quote? We had Bob Corker and John Thune and Saxby Chambliss et al. try to sabotage the House Republicans drilling-expansion efforts in the House, we have Ted (?) Stevens in Alaska, we had that other bribe taker whose name escapes me right now, ...... Don’t delude yourself that the party is pure. As embarrassed as I am by all things McCain, I do believe that reform (primarily of the Democrats) is vital to our Republic.

I understand and accept that you despise Romney passionately, but if you could give me a reasoned response free of passion, I would appreciate it very much.

[Scotswife]

“I’ve said it before—I’d rather have a known enemy in office than a false friend.”

exactly.
There’s gotta be a better way to fight socialism than sign it into law.

[Diogenesis]

I'm very clear I think, to the people across the Commonwealth
my "R" didn't stand so much for Republican as it does for reform."
(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)

"A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs
 which must not be compromised to political expediency
or simply to swell its numbers."
--  President Ronald Reagan

"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party
 over to the traitors in the battle just ended.
We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged
 to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support.
Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates
wouldn’t make any sense at all.""
--  President Ronald Reagan

[bw17]

Your post is inaccurate and dishonest:

Op-Ed Contributor
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
By MITT ROMNEY

Boston

IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.

I love cars, American cars. I was born in Detroit, the son of an auto chief executive. In 1954, my dad, George Romney, was tapped to run American Motors when its president suddenly died. The company itself was on life support — banks were threatening to deal it a death blow. The stock collapsed. I watched Dad work to turn the company around — and years later at business school, they were still talking about it. From the lessons of that turnaround, and from my own experiences, I have several prescriptions for Detroit’s automakers.

First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign brands must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay and benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than that of foreign producers.

That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. Think what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota’s Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit has done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But if this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the inevitable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

[libbylu]

You don’t know how to read, would not help to post. Your brain only takes in what you want to believe that fits your twisted views. I read Mitt’s article, and saw him twice on the tube yesterday. HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT.

I wonder how many of you are just jealous. Mitt is a good man. One wife. Five great kids, 14 grandkids never in trouble. There has NEVER been any personal dirt on Mitt. Good business smarts. Made his OWN money, lots of it. EXCELLENT fundraiser. People like him. He has class and grace.

I guess you guys have the same disease about Mitt some do about Palin. And you will never change a single mind with your approach. read bigotry.

[Antoninus]

There’s gotta be a better way to fight socialism than sign it into law.

That's a brilliant quote. It should be pasted under every photo of Mitt Romney.

[Enosh]

“I wonder how many of you are just jealous.”

That’s a new one. We’re ‘jealous.’ *Snicker*

[Diogenesis]

Everything which I posted was taken from Romney verbatim.
That you attack me with ad hominem, confusing me with the poster of this article, just proves that absence of grace
or class in yourself.

You are a disingenuous bigot.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Why shouldn’t I expect you to lie about what I just said.

I simply noted that your quotes were from decades ago.

I “admitted” nothing. Although it’s no secret that Romney took some different positions recently than he did during his 1994 campaign for the Mass. Senate seat.

Of course, given the number of people at FR who have emphatically stated that they are not REPUBLICANS, it is humorous to see you castigating Romney for saying so, albeit in 1994.

One of these days you should come join us in the present. The past is so, well, past.

[libbylu]

A thread was just pulled that was a lie about Michael Steele (NO HE IS NOT PRO CHOICE AND IF THE ARTICLE HAD BEEN READ PEOPLE WOULD HAVE KNOWN.

So why wasn’t this Mitt thread pulled, and how do you page a moderator? I have never done it right. Thank you Lady!

[Diogenesis]

Not my quotes. Those were direct Romney quotes.

You admitted that he flip-flopped.

Romney does that a lot.

[Rameumptom]

>>>Of course, given the number of people at FR who have emphatically stated that they are not REPUBLICANS, it is humorous to see you castigating Romney for saying so, albeit in 1994.

Ronald Reagan was a registered Democrat 4 years before he ran as Governor in CA. The founder of this site used to be a registered Democrat, though he isn't a Romney fan.

I beleive in Conservative conversions. I think some conservatives are just a tad hypersensitive (and rightly so) about getting burned again by the GOP. The problem is that the bar has been set so high that the best conservative of the 20th century, ie Ronald Reagan wouldn't pass it today.

[GOP_Lady]

There is an Abuse link next to every post. Click on it and you will be sending a private reply to an Administrator.

[Diogenesis]

Since those comments were directed to me, let me note that
no one castigated Romney, but quotes from Mr. Romney
and Pres. Reagan were put up together showing what an absolute
shapeshifting 'empty suit' Romney was and is.

Since Rameumptom is now shown to be making his daily "mountain" out of a molehill,
the record shows that Mr. Romney was not, but should, be castigated.

What the RomneyBOTs such as Rameumptom and CharlesWayneCT do is:

Ignore Romney's past abdication to Democrats - check
Ignore Romney's appointment of corrupt, liberal pro-criminal judges, overlooking GOP candidates - check
Ignore Romney's ignoring Mass Constitution - check
Ignore Romney's wussiness to criticism using tears and fabricated 'religious persecution' - check
Ignore Romney's use of fake law enforcement officers (caught in two states) - check
Ignore Romney is the MSM's choice because they have files already prepared against him - check
Ignore Romney's coverup of the "Big Dig" for donations - check.
Ignore Romney's bankruptcy of Mass for his HillaryCARE=RomneyCARE - check.
Ignore Romney's targetting of other GOP candidates - check
Ignore Romney's decimation of Mass GOP and that he couldn't win Mass to Hillary -check
Ignore Romney's real impact on Massachusetts - check
Ignore Romney's federal bailout of the Olympics - check
Ignore Romney's begging for a federal bailout of RomneyCARE - check
Ignore Romney's use of the Mormon card or CRYING to defect from his record or criticism - check

Novak: Fred Thompson drop-out rumors traced to Romney campaign

Said Novak: The rumors were "traced in part to Mitt Romney's campaign,
trying to stir up strife between McCain and Thompson."

[CharlesWayneCT]

They were quotes you provided. Romney didn’t post them here, you did.

English isn’t that hard a language, but sometimes people really try hard NOT to communicate, because it makes it easier to obfuscate.

and again, I did not admit that he flip-flopped in my earlier post, nor did I in fact say anything about him flip-flopping in my earlier post.

Your assumption that, because I pointed out a potentially misleading part of your post, that I was agreeing with anything else you said, is absurd.

Your use of the term “admit” is simply another example of how you try to mislead people here.

The appropriate term, if I had said something about the actual information you posted, would have been “agreed”, not “admit”. If someone hasn’t disagreed with something, or said something different, they are not “admitting” something.

“admit” carries the connotation of either a change of position or the correction of a previous statement. Neither would be applicable here.

I only emphasize this to point out to the readership how you are attempting to mislead them.

[CharlesWayneCT]

And for the record, Romney would have been better on “rights”, including the rights of people who were gay, than Kennedy.

That’s because liberals are really bad on actual rights, while conservative principles defend the God-given rights that we all have as individuals.

Under conservatives, a rich gay person will have his right to keep his money and to own private property defended, while under liberals like Kennedy the only “right” they will have will be the right to continue their sinful ways.

But if you don’t define your terms, you can make people believe anything.

[Diogenesis]

You admitted that Romney is a flip-flopper, and that one of his 'flips' was being a liberal socialist.
Others have noted other of Myth Romney's flips and lies.