g'night
Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Smart bet - but, remember he is only 1 vote of 9 ... he cannot deny Cert ALL by himself.
I think Breyer, Ginsburg, Souter, and Stevens will prolly vote against ... think it even or better odds that Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas will vote for ...
That leaves ... WAIT FOR IT ... Kennedy !!!
“The Democrat party chose Biden. Obama’s role has no bearing in Biden’s eligibility. Since there is no “no idiots” clause Joe is qualified.”
Thats about the size of it ...
My take on it would be:
IF, Obama were DQ’d, SCOTUS MIGHT be able to order a new election with verified candidates (but this has not been vetted Constitution-wise). Also it would be VERY expensive and time-consuming. So, I think not.
Or, they could DQ Obama and order the results in the election to be re-certified WITHOUT him as a candidate. Kind of like the Olympic Gold Medal winner being DQ’d for doping - everybody moves up ... Silver to Gold ... Bronze to Silver ... and the 4th place finisher gets the Kewpie Doll (Bronze).
However, I don’t think Biden would be DQ’d as VP - his election was valid.
FYI: I DON’T think McCain would be DQ’d by virtue of the concepts in English Law that children born overseas to citizens in service of the Crown were natural born British citizens. (Source: Blackstone’s Commentaries on English Common Law, the authoritarian reference at the time).
I’ve said it before and I will say it again - this comes down to standing and the concept of “original intent”.
Would the Founding Fathers allow ordinary citizens to demand eligibility verification and what was their concept of “natural born citizen”?
I think that they would demand verification - prior legislatures in the colonies demanded requirements to hold office (such as owning property) and they were easily verifiable.
I also think that their concept of a “natural born” citizen mirrored English Common Law.
You gotta remember that most of the Founding Fathers were educated in England and a lot of them held English law degrees.
“About 5% of cases that petition to be heard are granted cert in any particular year.”
Obviously - but this ain’t your run-of-the-mill case ...
The only thing like it re: elections has been Bush v. Gore.
However, there have been OTHER cases involving concepts NOT expressly stated in the Constitution or in U.S. Law:
Gideon v. Wainwright (right to court-appointed counsel)
Miranda v. Arizona (need to have rights read to a suspect)
Roe v. Wade (implied right to privacy)
None of these three (3) cases involves any specific language in the Constitution or U.S. Law.
The Virginia “case” came ONLY from AP. Anyone who understands this media knows very well that AP is NOT a reliable source for anything political.
No I do not find it strange that the GOP did not address it. Who could believe such a thing would be possible?
Only those who think outside the box would believe this is possible just as it took those unassociated with the Treason media to break the fraud in the CBS Bush National Guard story. No one else said “boo” to a patently obvious fraud. Isn’t it remarkable how uninterested the “investigators” are in investigating.
Read an excellent historical article yesterday..Texas Darlin sight. Author Judah Benjamin......Promise I’ll find link for you tomorrow, if yo don’t findit yourself tonight. Went into all the legal history, including English....What did and din’t apply.....
Two sections. Both about 20 pages long.....I see a lot of books being written....
No, a claim that “they both are ineligible” based on a complete misunderstanding of what Natural born means is a disaster to our side. It is apparently something to help Obama.
The constitution clearly states any Citizen born in any foreign country can be president.
You just have to look very carefully with an open mind.
s/off
g'night
No he is not correct he is dead wrong and smells like an Obama plant.
So just to make the newspaper Birth Announcements issue clear:
1. It is unknown whether any record exists on microfiche.
A Freeper post from the mega 6,000+er last summer......
The only thing that admits of a response is the Vital Statistics point. The newspapers in Hawaii of the day published each day, births and deaths and marriages of the preceding 24 hours. Someone has gone through and looked at library editions of those newspapers for August 3, 1961 to learn that nowhere in the first week of August is there publication of the birth of this guy under any of the available names. His mother doesn’t appear anywhere as a mother either.
And he was born in a hospital. How many people would have been directly involved? Forty-seven years later—are they all gone or have forgotten? Nobody, not the taxi driver, the nurse, the admitting officer remembers anything? The hospital they originally named as the birth site wasn’t built until several years after the claimed birth? Obviously it has no records of his birth; neither do any of the other hospitals in the area.
I haven’t been able to get in there either.
Seeing as how he mentioned the strange things
happening to his computer, cell phone and
other things he didn’t want to reveal, I
would bet he IS probably a target. I
pray for his safety and that he has protection.
Isn’t it so sick and perverse? The audacity .. of audacity!
I was just agreeing with you! (The fishing boat...)
But I do need sleep. I wish I would wake up and the whole “Obama won” thing would be just a bad dream...
Exactly right, English Common Law provided the definitions used in the Constitution.
But I must say that most of the Revolutionary leaders were not educated in England particularly the most important ones: Washington, Madison, Jefferson, J. Adams, S. Adams, Hancock, Hamilton, Jay, Burr, Monroe, Marshall. They were trained in English law though except for Washington and Hancock who were not lawyers.
If born in a hospital his birth would have been registered on that date. Not days later.
I think your reasoning about the electors is flawed - you are assuming that the electors that are currently scheduled to be in place would be the electors if Obama was DQ’d.
I disagree. It MAY have worked that way at the time the Constitution was ratified, but with the evolvement of “slates” of electors pledged to certain candidates has negated that method.
Therefore, if Obama is DQ’d, HIS electors would be DQ’d since (as a matter of logic) Obama was NEVER on the ballot in the first place.
McCain’s electors would then be certified and the Electoral College would proceed as normal.
Possibly....With Biden as acting President until all the legal cases are resolved.
“But I must say that most of the Revolutionary leaders were not educated in England ... “
Yeah - I guess you are right ... but those who went to college in the Colonies were the result of the English education system ...
Possibly....With Biden as acting President until all the legal cases are resolved.
True ... how AWFULLY true ...
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