Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location

World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

[solfour]

The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

[BP2]

Anyone have info on how Andy Martin is doing in Hawaii today?

BTW, good to have FR back online :)

[ohiogrammy]

So why was I not able to get on FR all day today? This is a bit scary...

[ohiogrammy]

dont forget Larry Sinclair and that woman hiding in the Carribean, if true!

[Gemsbok]

Nope,
Toots isn’t referring to Granny Dunham (unless she’s the mom).

Dunhams were not native to Hawai and had just moved from the mainland.

Several of the Kenyan family state their native BHO, Senior married a young white woman named
Anna Toots.
They had never heard the Dunham or Stanley variations until recently.

Once again it’s time to shuffle the cards and the players..

I wonder if she used a fake ID to leave the country and stayed with the story for marriage.

I’m sure the US Passport Bureau is privy to the truth.

A key element to this saga would be, at what age did the minor child apply for the initial passport?

Names to check would include:

Stanley Ann Dunham
Ann Dunham
Anna Toot
Anna Obama
Stanley Ann Obama
Stanley Ann Soetoro
Stanley Dunham Soetoro
Stanley Ann Sutoro
Ann Sutoro

[Free America52]

So now that is docketed, what exactly does that mean?

[BP2]

I’m sure the US Passport Bureau is privy to the truth.

And those passport records are "secured," just like the vault copy of the Hawaiian COLB. Although some folks try to access Obama's passport back in January: Obama's Passport Files Were Breached (Jan '08)

I've long held the belief that Obama used his Pakistani passport somewhat recently, and currently has a Red "diplomatic" passport issued to members of Congress. Oh, BTW, those passports do not require a COLB to acquire.

Also, as I understand it, there's no verification of citizenship to run for public office in Illinois, including US Senate. So, Obama continues to be the anomily that slips between the cracks.

Hopefully not too much longer :)

[livius]

In his books, Obama apparently often referred to his grandmother as “Toot,” although I don’t know why. It seems to have been some family nickname for her.

When the “hidden birth certificate” stuff emerged, there was some speculation that he was hiding it because it had something embarrassing. I wondered if this something might be that his grandmother had actually been his mother, which would have been shown on the bc. However, then I saw a picture of Obama and his (white) grandfather: except that Obama appears to have a suntan, they are almost uncannily alike. So Obama couldn’t have been a product of “Toot” and some other relationship; he’s obviously his grandfather’s grandson.

Even if this had been the case (his grandmother was his mother), he would still be a natural born citizen if he had been born here, and I don’t think he’d be fighting so hard to keep it from being revealed.

However, I wonder if perhaps the grandmother went to Kenya at some point, perhaps with the idea of adopting the baby. It’s just odd that the Kenyans would refer to Ann (supposedly the mother, Dunham) by a name used to refer to the grandmother.

[jamese777]

Let’s see if Justice Souter agrees with the Petition for a Writ of Certiorari and goes ahead to seek the concurrence of three other Justices to hear the case.
It is highly doubtful that the Pelosi/Reid controlled Congress will take any action nor will Barack Hussein Obama’s 364 committed Electors.

[jamese777]

“Lets count the ways BO can be black mailed.
Someone who knows the truth about his birth place.

Someone who knows about his Muslim connections.

Someone who knows about his shady Acorn dealings.

Someone who knows about his drug use.

Someone who knows about his racist past.

Someone who knows about his forged BC.

Someone who knows about what he was writting about in college.

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Those are also those who Obama has probably already paid off with what’s left of his $700 million in campaign funds.

[BP2]

So now that is docketed, what exactly does that mean?

Justice Thomas can refuse to do anything with it, or can bring it before the other Justices for review.

Of all of the cases floating around in the legal system, THIS case is seen to be on very good legal standing.

From http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen

Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth.  At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:

FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth".  

Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President. 

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens".  Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

     That's it right there.  (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country.  The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves.  They did, after all, create the Constitution.  But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.  

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted. The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens".  And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen".  The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens.  They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document. 

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.

[Frantzie]

According to Leo - Obama and McCain were not eligble. He said the Senate resolution about it months ago was an outrage. Leo said McCain was a great patriot but the Constitution would deny McCain and Obama.

[Frantzie]

Leo was on last night on prarie radio (for two hours). He said that the framers were specifically worried about citizens *especially* from England. They made exceptions for people born around 1790 because most Americans at that time had been born in England.

It is docketed so hopefully that means it goes to Thomas which is should. Leo has been jerked around at SCOTUS for the past 2 weeks.

[pray4liberty]

I wonder if this birthplace question, which won't go away, is why Obama, the Kenyan, has looked so distracted lately.

How funny for the America that voted for Obama and they get Biden instead.

[BP2]

Let’s see if Justice Souter agrees with the Petition for a Writ of Certiorari and goes ahead to seek the concurrence of three other Justices to hear the case. It is highly doubtful that the Pelosi/Reid controlled Congress will take any action nor will Barack Hussein Obama’s 364 committed Electors.

I understand to hear the case, the "Rule of 4" applies. This is a Constitutional issue, and this is when the SCOTUS has traditionally gotten involved in the past.

Also, it could add fire to the Electors themselves to ask for Obama's status to be properly vetted before they officially vote. They have the right to do so. Keyes is working on a case that could affect the California Electoral College delegates.

Additionally, all it takes is ONE Senator and ONE Representative to ask for a hearing on the issue once the EC delegates have voted. Great political risk for those two Congressmen, but if Obama doesn't produce a COLB that suffices, I think their base will be a greater threat to those Republicans than Obama will be.

That's when it could be dangerous for Obama if he's been hiding his status. Up to that point, he hadn't, theoretically, committed a crime.

[LucyT]

Gemsbok, I’m curious as to why you want current information about the missionary witnesses? Are you in a position to interview them? Or do you know someone who might be able to question them?

[Lmo56]

So now that is docketed, what exactly does that mean?

It means that it is sitting in the hopper at SCOTUS.

Thomas will review it, he will LIKELY NOT toss it out of hand.

From there, Obama will have a chance to respond and Donofrio will have his chance to respond to the response.

Then, the application (a Petition for Writ of Certiorari, I presume) will be passed among the justices.

It takes four (4) justices to “grant Cert”. If they do, they can:

1. Remand the case back to the lower court and the case will move forward.

Or:

2. Take “original jurisdiction in the case themselves and the case will move forward at SCOTUS.

If they DO NOT “grant Cert”, it is game, set, match for Obama.

BTW: Has anyone got a copy of Donofrio’s application - I would LOVE to read it ...

ALL I have read is the NJ Supreme Court’s denial of his app.

[BP2]

According to Leo - Obama and McCain were not eligible

Yes, he's acted in a very non-partisan manner. Wouldn't it be ironic if the EC picks the next most-qualified candidates: Keyes/Biden.

That said, I believe Keyes was only on about 11 state ballots -- so the Electoral College votes would be ALL over the place because of the two-party system.

Whoa -- Keyes/Biden -- that would just be too bizarre.

[Lmo56]

The SSB, has no affect of law.

What is an SSB, I ask dumbly - the Senate Resolution #511?

[Frantzie]

I am very angry that McCain decided to run. Leo said McCain was an incredible patriot but the Constitution clearly states he and O are not eligble.

[hoosiermama]

Copy it and add each of the Justice’s name at the top....The each need to hear from Us. You can copy and paste their names from this list. I called a clerk last week, she told me that was the BEST way to get their attention.
Sent my letters this week end.

Address Again:

United States Supreme Court
1 First Street NE Washington DC 20543

The Supreme Court Justices are as follows:

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts

Supreme Court Justice John Stevens

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy

Supreme Court Justice David Souter

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsburg

Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer

Supreme Court Justice Samual Alito