Recommended Gun List for Freepers (Vanity)

11/09/2008 | SoftwareEngineer

[SoftwareEngineer]

I would like to request that fellow Freepers help us non knowledgeable gun owners in recommending guns that we can buy before gun laws get changed. Many of us have only a basic semi automatic hand gun and have never given much thought to anything else.

However, before gun laws change I would like to complete my gun collection and even buy guns that I can leave to my children.

Maybe we can organize the recommendations as follows:

• 1. Semi Automatic (Basic)
• 2. Semi Automatic (High End)
• 3. Revolver (Basic)
• 4. Revolver (High End)
• 5. Shot Gun (Basic)
• 6. Shot Gun (High End)
• 7. Others
• 8. Recommended Accessories
  
  Please list brands that are relatively easy to buy in the United States as most of us don't have access to that clever gunmaker in the Czech Republic or wherever
  
  Secondly, if you can list approximate pricing, that would be very helpful. Also, any pros and cons that you can think of will be very helpful
  
  Please note that my request is only for legal guns and do not post anything that violates existing law. Whatever, our feelings may be about existing law, I am sure that none of us wants to violate it
  
  Your contribution to this knowledge base is highly appreciated.

[P8riot]

Minimum 1000 rd of ammo for each, or they are only clubs and bricks.

[yarddog]

If ammo is stored in cool dry place, preferrably in an army .50 cal. ammo can, it will last a life time with no trouble. I was recently shooting some 7.65 Mauser ammo made in the early 1930’s in Belgium and it is still sure fire.

[Joe 6-pack]

I guess GMTA. While I don’t know how bad the economy may get under Obomber, I was going to recommend a quality pump or spring piston .177 rifle or pistol. They’re certainly cheap to operate, relatively silent, and extremely useful in supplementing the diet with squirrel, rabbit, groundhogs and fowl. If the utilities and sanitation services shut down they can also be quite handy for pest/rodent control.

[AlmaKing]

grenades

[Myrddin]

Question: What is the typical shelf life for ammunition?

Old ammo that has been kept clean and dry should be good longer than you'll live. More recently, there have been changes in primer formulations to reduce lead. The old lead styphnate primers have a very long life if kept clean and free of oil. Newer formulation (DDNP) is susceptible to degradation by moisture. Shelf life of commercial "lead free" ammunition is about 5 years according to Fiocchi (an ammo manufacturer).

There has also been a move to go "lead free" with the ammunition. A tin/tungsten formulation has been touted. The problem is the tungsten make the bullet very abrasive and results in rapidly worn out barrels. Most barrels will last 20,000 rounds with good lead or copper/lead bullets.

[MaxMax]

2, 4, 6, Check, Check, Check.

[Swiss]

The utimate assault rifle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3Hg7Zu-eA

[CaraM]

Everybody is in panic mode now....sheesh.

I have a friend who is an avid hunter. He tells me that it's getting more and more expensive to buy ammo. Plus he ordered a gun somewhere and it's still on backorder. People are stocking up.

And he read somewhere that BO would love to increase tax on ammo so high that buying ammo will be unaffordable. We will have to watch the sneak attacks from legislature.

[Impy]

They’ll be too busy raising money to help “pro-gun” demorats to stop it.

[ASOC]

That is a very good question.

For centerfire ammo - Prior to Al GOre and “Green” primers, I would say, 100 years (proper storage and all that) - I have fired ammo made in 1947, Russian even, and it all went bang... split and seperatd case not withstanding.

Now, with the “Green” primers I would worry after as little as 10 years.

All the ammo I have purchased of late is furrin made/surplus with the old time type primers. In sealed can, in pritine shape - after ammo from open ammo cans were examined from the same lot.

.22 ammo will normally work if it is clean and stored properly.

[wastedyears]

LOL

Good luck getting those anywhere.

[Kadric]

My basics right now.
Pistols
CZ-52 x2
Helwan

Rifles
WASR-10 converted to hicap mags
Saiga 308-1
CAR-15
Spanish Model 1916 in .308
Marlin model 60

[Kadric]

Meant to add if you take out the CAR I have under $1000.00 in the rest total.

[proudtobeanamerican1]

uhhh.....seriously?

It is good, but where and how much?

[dalereed]

How good is the foreign ammo that aimsurplus sells, they seem to have the best prices?

I'm hurting for .45 & .38.

[Marauder]

I don’t know where you are, but it must be someplace like CA, DC or NY where they don’t believe in self defense. You might need to take a vacation somewhere to pick one up.

[Brucifer]

Good list. I applaud your perspicacity yarddog.

[proudtobeanamerican1]

Walmart has similar prices......For example:

Winchester 40 s&W 100 Trget Practice 28.00
50 at a gun show was 16.00

Winchester 40 S&W 50 Hollow Point 22.00 Gun show
20.00 Walmart

Remington Dicks 40 S&W Target Practice 20.00 (.25% off 15.00)

I noticed the 9mm ammo is half that price.

For the guy that posted.....since noone put a price on it.

I just saw .40,.45, and 9mm Taurus 24/7 Compact Semi Automatic (Great Handgun) 2 cartridges 370.00 at the gunshow. 450 at Gander Mountain.

[proudtobeanamerican1]

Sorry...I have found .45 and .40 are the same price on ammo, maybe a little higher on .45.

I believe the 38 would be close to the 9mm. Don’t quote me on that though.

[samadams2000]

Springfield EMP (spendy-small frame 9mm on a 1911 frame)
Mossberg 500A Persuader
Ruger Mini 14-.223 with Scope
Remington Rand .45
Ruger SP101 .357
Walther P99-9mm (small hand size)
Smith and Wesson 910-9mm
(9 )Winchester Model 61’s- Vintage pump action .22
Ruger 10/22 with more clips and ammo that they make in a day
870 Remington. 12 gauge (2)
.25 Cal American Arms pocket gun
,30-,30 Winchester lever action
.45Long Colt Cowboy Action Single shot
A few more
Need——
AR15 before they are banned....again...