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Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit
Newsmax ^ | Friday, October 24, 2008 | Kenneth R. Timmerman

Posted on 10/24/2008 9:26:51 PM PDT by Jim W N

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To: Gemsbok
When he first ran for Illinois Congressman, was his name listed as Barack J Obama, as in J for Jesus, perhaps?

Jesus? or Jihadi?

181 posted on 10/25/2008 12:51:40 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because Obama believed that the lawsuit was frivilous and the judge agreed.

ONE judge agreed. He still has multiple suits to face that he could make vanish in 15 minutes, if he only told the truth and sent a judge a real genuine pristine copy of his BC.

Next you'll be telling me this fine Chicago Machine Democrat is a man of principles, and he's standing on them.

182 posted on 10/25/2008 12:56:22 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: Reverend Wright
Would such a document list Hawaii as Place of Birth?

Yes. The same way my Darling Daughter's BC lists me as her birth father, even though I didn't meet her mom until she was three years old...

183 posted on 10/25/2008 12:58:09 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: Reverend Wright
Maybe so, but those contactors who browsed Obama’s passport file (multiple times)

Looking? Planting evidence? Sandy Burgling?

184 posted on 10/25/2008 1:00:52 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: null and void
ONE judge agreed. He still has multiple suits to face ...

...that he could make vanish in 15 minutes, if he only told the truth and sent a judge a real genuine pristine copy of his BC.

As it turned out, it vanished without Obama having to produce anything. And all these cases could also be ruled on in a matter of minutes if the plaintiffs could only produce some evidence backing their claim that Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen. As plaintiff the burden of proof lies with them.

185 posted on 10/25/2008 2:42:30 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Calpernia

Lawsuits Starting Across the Nation Proceeding to Avert Potential Constitutional Crisis, Possible Civil Unrest, and Confidence in Elections; Lawsuits are being filed in Eight States Seeking to Require Barack Obama to Provide Certification of Birth in U.S. or Be Removed as Presidential Candidate on State Ballots.

http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Lawsuits/National_Press_Release_08_10_22.htm

Interestingly, all these state lawsuits would be dropped if Mr. Obama would simply provide the requested documents supporting his claim of being born in Hawaii.

Lawsuits in additional states are being added each day. For more information about each lawsuit, contact:

(HI) Andy Martin at email: AndyMart20@aol.com

(WA) Steve Marquis email: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org ; website: www.peoplespassion.org

(CA) David Archbold email darchbo1@gmail.com

(GA) Tom Terry email: kingdommatters@gmail.com

(PA) Philip Berg email: philjberg@obamacrimes.com ; website: www.obamacrimes.com

(NY) Dan Smith email: Dansmith1954@aol.com

(CT) Cort Wrotnowski email: Metaqubit@aol.com


186 posted on 10/25/2008 3:08:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: null and void

“Yes. The same way my Darling Daughter’s BC lists me as her birth father, even though I didn’t meet her mom until she was three years old...”

Hawaii will definately do a change of parent on the BC, I found a court case on the Hawaii gov website with such a change.

But they won’t change a foreign place of birth to Hawaii.

http://oeqc.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-120.pdf

Note statement 3) under Issuance of Certificate, which specifically precludes use of certificate as evidence of USA citizenship.


187 posted on 10/25/2008 3:46:21 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (Zerobama: leave no America-hating B*st*rd behind.)
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To: ricki21092
....and did Stanley Ann(e)Dunham travel to Africa when she was pregnant?

Take a look at the photo near the end of this video.
188 posted on 10/25/2008 4:03:41 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: Reverend Wright
Yep. The rule adopted in 1981 says that the adoptive parents are listed as the birth parents, doesn't explicitly say that the place of birth is the real location, or only as accurate as the genetics, and there is no indication that

(3) The statement "This certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child or the parents named above." [Eff. FEB 19 1981] (Auth: HRS Secs. 321-9, 338-2) (Imp: HRS Secs. 338-17.7(c), 338-20.5)

is retroactive to adoptions decades earlier, indeed it isn't clear that Hawaii even knows which 1960's vintage records reflect true or fictional places of birth or parentage, without going to the original vault copies, rather than the "official" working records.

189 posted on 10/25/2008 4:06:46 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: null and void
the lawsuit was frivilous and the judge agreed. ONE judge agreed.

Are you sure the democRat judge said that the lawsuit was frivilous?

"This certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child or the parents named above."

Nice find.
190 posted on 10/25/2008 4:33:43 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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To: null and void

“there is no indication that
(3) The statement “This certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child or the parents named above.” [Eff. FEB 19 1981] (Auth: HRS Secs. 321-9, 338-2) (Imp: HRS Secs. 338-17.7(c), 338-20.5)

is retroactive to adoptions decades earlier...”

Conceded, it was the only documentation I could find.

One thing i’m not clear on, if Obama had to get a current copy of his birth certificate today, and he really was born abroad, would he be forced to apply for one for foreign born adopted in Hawaii?


191 posted on 10/25/2008 4:34:42 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (Zerobama: leave no America-hating B*st*rd behind.)
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To: Reverend Wright

No idea.

I think it would look like any other copy he got before 1981. But I really don’t know.


192 posted on 10/25/2008 4:36:34 PM PDT by null and void (Socialism doesn't work because of people./People don't work because of socialism...)
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To: Fred Nerks

Ohio was added Friday.


193 posted on 10/25/2008 4:44:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: DB
His “fake but accurate” one says “African” for the father I believe. A bit ambiguous.

Neither. Obama has no birth record in Hawaii or any other place in the US.

"AFRICAN" is definitely NOT what the Census bureau uses.

194 posted on 10/25/2008 4:57:33 PM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: PhilDragoo

You know I love that graphic!

I have to wonder why Obama didn’t simply produce a valid birth certificate?


195 posted on 10/25/2008 8:29:08 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah'cuda Rocks!)
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To: dixiechick2000
It's his MO. He is a control freak and has been doing a damned good job at it. He refuses to address anything. Any honest questions are attacks.

If he had the documentation that proved he was 100% a natural citizen of the United States, he would not produce it. He would see it as a sign of weakness.

This is the man who speaks of change. He talks about fighting for ‘us’. The truth is that he loathes ‘us.’ We are the means to an end. Nothing more.

One thing is for certain...he is will bring much emotional baggage to the WH. We will be the ones to pay for issues he has not resolved.

196 posted on 10/25/2008 8:59:31 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand Up Chuck!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Boy...I think you’ve hit the nail on the head!

Just look at the mess his childhood was.
Then, look at the woman he married.

This guy is not the poster boy for mental heath, that’s for sure.

Thank you for your post.


197 posted on 10/25/2008 9:15:12 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Sarah'cuda Rocks!)
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To: Jim 0216

Sorry ,don’t type well.what I said was that I was conducting an experiment on an online birth registration site.Just for fun ,I typed in Obama’s name and year of birth.It gave me 4(FOUR)answers when i typed in mine,I got one answer.Clearer now?


198 posted on 10/25/2008 11:18:36 PM PDT by screaming eagle2 (No matter what you call it,a pre-owned vehicle is still a USED CAR!)
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To: PhilDragoo
Tow-may-tow, toe-mah-toe, Imam, Caliph, sleeper, how nice,
So many enemies using the same device

- - - - - - - - - -

Here we go! Here we go! Here we GOOOOO !!!!

199 posted on 10/25/2008 11:40:35 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Obama, WHO is Bill Ayers and WHY are you still friends with him? Please RSVP asap!)
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To: LucyT
My question to the court on Berg having "no standing" to file the complaint is this, if an American citizen has no standing to challenge the authenticity of a presidential candidate's citizenship, then who does?
200 posted on 10/26/2008 7:56:40 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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