Posted on 10/22/2008 9:25:20 AM PDT by Jack Black
I've lived through some turbulent years of American history, but I have never seen our country more polarized, more divided, more ripe for – dare I say it? – breakup, dissolution, a secessionist movement. I admit I'm unafraid of radical ideas – if those radical ideas are just, righteous, moral and godly. I believe it's time for radical ideas – just as it was time in 1776. Frankly, I don't see a way to unite a people as divided as Americans are today. We are trying to pretend we're one nation when we are really two. One of those two nations clings to the promises and covenants of the past, the Bible, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, as the guiding principles. The other believes in and lives with no immutable standards. It's not a Republican vs. Democrat split – as the current election illustrates. I know many Republicans would find themselves more comfortable in the country of no standards. I also suspect many Democrats would actually find themselves more at home in the nation of the Bible, Declaration and Constitution. Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider?
Isn't it time for separation? Is the breakup of the union really such a difficult thing to consider? When there are no new lands to discover, what choice do we have?
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There's only one way to recapture the greatness of America. That is to start over – with only those willing to play by the rules. Let those who don't believe in rules have their own country to destroy.
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AMEN!
ME TOO!
First they have to disarm us. I’m betting that they run out of federal jackboots before we run out of deer rifles.
Sounds like the reversal of the Dust Bowl years. All us Kalifornia Okies movin’ back “home”....Though I was born here, my mom was born in OK. Will that pass the test to prove I ain’t one o’ them rich caretbaggers movin’ in to change your life?
“A big part of what drives the spending is poverty.”
You know, a lot of us grew up poor, but happy. We didn’t need all the “necessaries” we enjoy today, BIG house, two cars in every garage, daily trips to the market and fast food, too.
We didn’t realize we were poverty stricken until the government told us we were.
From your lips to God’s ears. My point was the movement of tens of millions of people can be either voluntary or forcible. For those that refuse the latter, someplace to displace to will be needed in order to exercise the former.
I sure hope it never comes to anything remotely like this.
You and me both brother. I spent four years at Gettysburg College and there are parts of the battlefield where the air still feels heavy with the weight of death. We don’t need anymore fields like that in our nation.
At least during CW1, most of the dying was done on battlefields between armies.
CW2 more than likely would look like the Spanish Civil War, Bosnia, India-Pakistan etc. A bloodbath at the neighborhood level.
It would not be pleasant.
Nope. And these types of conflicts leave very deep scars, even worse than post 1865, when both sides for the most part got to “go home.”
In this case, “both sides” will be mixed up in the same neighborhoods.
I'm sure President Obama would have no problem calling in UN peace keepers, and the Chinese would be more than happy to oblige.
That’s the plot of Foreign Enemies.
Let’s hope it stays in the “fiction” section.
That may have been true pre 1865, but texas was required to re-write its Constitution post Civil War. Texas does not have any right to split itself, absent consent of Congress.
when texas is ready to secede and create a real republic and live by the constitution as it was written. I will be there to defend till death.
Don’t care if it is McCain or Oprah (I mean Obama) I swore in to defend our constitution to the death and that is what I am ready to do. Stop our bullshit government from taking 100% of what honest people earn and giving it to lazy bastards!!!!
There are 300 million firearms in this country. I think even the Chinese would think long and hard about even doing this.
I also think that this would be cause a HUGE growth in people actually willing to fight for freedom. It a very difficult thing to actually consider dropping the hammer on Jack Tripper liberal types who are still Americans. It's quite another to draw a bead on the soldier in the funny uniform with the blue helmet speaking something like Martian.
You're no doubt familiar with Admiral Yamamoto's cautionary warning about invading America..."A rifle behind every blade of grass." To some degree, still true, but it's also true this is not the same country it was in 1941. There may be 300 million firearms, but certainly not 300 million firearms owners. Winnow out the collectibles and antiques. Then take out those who would (and currently do) participate in the buy-back programs. Then subtract those who would voluntarily surrender or sell their weapons because of legislatively imposed insurance premiums...what you don't think the government would meddle in private industry? Talk to the folks at AIG. A lot of people would get rid of their weapons rather than lose their homeowners insurance (sure a good number would hide theirs, too). All that puts a big dent in the 300 million, but still leaves a substantial number in private hands. Local and state governments will enact their own bans...think they can't? Check California, NYC, or Morton Grove. Imagine it being done nationwide...there would be resistance, but you'd also have a fair percentage who would fall in line. After all this, we may be talking 100-150 million firearms in the hands of 25-50 million people actually willing to hold on to them. What's worse, you'd have 150 million perfectly happy to report the non-compliant bitter clingers to the authorities....
The more resistance that's put up, the more inclined the sheep would be to support UN intervention...it would be ugly, no matter how it unfolded, and while I agree that our founders built a pretty strong foundation designed to prevent this sort of thing, I'm not going to be lulled into saying, "It could never happen here."
WPtG, here is one of the most recent threads. I will ping you to the other...
Jack Black here is one of the keepers of the CWII ping list; he can add you.
The one thing I would like to see in the separate nation is a fairer, and truly free press that is willing to report rather than propagandize.
To quote Angela McGlowan, America has been thoroughly bamboozled in this election cycle, hence why Barack Obama, one of the most radical Democrats in that party's history, will be sworn in as the 44th President of The United States.
...If secession is doable, then I'm on board. I'd rather live free than under tyranny...even if it means leaving the warm climate of California.
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