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9 PM Eastern: St. Louis Vice Presidential Debate Live Thread
c-span.org ^ | October 2, 2008

Posted on 10/02/2008 1:48:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, folks. Let's keep an eye on this debate and see if Sarah can beat down hairplug.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008debates; 2008veep; biden; debates; election; electionpresident; elections; gaffemachine; jumpingthegun; mccainpalin; palin; palinattacks; palinping; palinpraise; sarahpalin; vpdebate; whenbidenspeakszz; whenbidenspeakszzzz
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To: Chaguito

The Anger on Bidens face he looked at times as if he was going to become violent. Is that the Get in their face attitude that Obama is brainwashing his flock with? Liberals are becoming the BORG.


3,421 posted on 10/02/2008 9:00:51 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (America is dying your choice is to stand and fight or cut and run.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

-St. Louis is the gateway to the west, it will become the gateway to our victory in November.

much cheering

-Obama and Biden are two of the most liberal Senators in DC and are trying to distance themselves from that fact.

-Surrendering in Iraq is something the Democrats are married to.

...more...


3,422 posted on 10/02/2008 9:00:55 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Obama will deliver America on a Leash to an envious world.)
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To: airborne

airborne wrote:
Now comes all the pundits spinning.

I wonder how many falsehoods came out of Biden’s mouth.
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1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.


3,423 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:07 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Centurion2000

So refreshinhg to get away from the phonies!!! Govenor Palin kcked that pale, doddering dumbshit Biden!


3,424 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:24 PM PDT by februus
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To: Centurion2000

So refreshinhg to get away from the phonies!!! Govenor Palin kcked that pale, doddering dumbshit Biden!


3,425 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:38 PM PDT by februus
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; US34
These lame and unsubstantiated TROLLTM accusations are getting quite old people.
3,426 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:40 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Yes on California Proposition 8; thwart the radical homosexual movement)
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To: AGreatPer

FACTCHECK.org saying Biden lied TEN TIMES tonite!!


3,427 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:45 PM PDT by tcrlaf (SARAH PALIN-The American Everywoman (Yes, You Really CAN!))
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To: mass55th

Yes, I get your point... but it frosts me that Biden got away with spewing his BS... especially about “deregulation” when anybody studying the issue KNOWS the problem was OVER REGULATION, or, more precisely, HAM-HANDED INTERFERENCE in the market by government socialists on the take.


3,428 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:51 PM PDT by US34 (It's a long walk home)
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To: Scotswife
Sorry here's the link
3,429 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:56 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Cinnamon Girl; Letitring
Gwen just told Biden he did great and said to him “thank you, governor.”

I thought that's what I heard, too...but closed captioning and commentary indicated it was her reply to Sen. Biden asking how she was feeling.

3,430 posted on 10/02/2008 9:01:57 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: goldstategop
I don't think Sarah can help him win the election. He has to do it himself.

I picture a cartoon of Sarah dragging McCain into the Whitehouse. He's got his heels dug in and and he's yelling and screaming, "No!"

3,431 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:09 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sarah is awesome, fantastic and once again I am so impressed with her.


3,432 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:25 PM PDT by Katarina
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To: Brad's Gramma

Greta is on and she is smiling from ear to ear.


3,433 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:30 PM PDT by eyedigress ( My first 4 wheeler was on the rocks in Fairbanks)
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To: patriot08

Great work!!!


3,434 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:38 PM PDT by airborne (Don't pray that God is on your side. Instead, pray that you are on God's side!)
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To: Raycpa

I wish I had heard Palin say this about her children. Good talking point.

I also want to know what Biden said or did to Palin after the debate... something stinks here. If he deliberately tried to wound or hurt her, this needs to be made public. Biden will look like scum.


3,435 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:44 PM PDT by mwl8787
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To: ReneeLynn
I hope most people did see that Sarah did better. I really do>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin, by the rules of say a true debate, like one would have in a debating society,lost tonoght.

But the fact is that this debate is not about that.

It was about connecting with the American people after the MSM has disgracefully pilloried her and her family, right down to accusing her of not being pregnant and claiming her daughters child as her own. She came into this debate as an underdog who had been painted as incapable, a political tramp from a yehoo state of red neck idiots.

So the measure of who won is a measure of popularity and connecting with the public, with grace and some class.

That is why pundits say she won. She won where it hurts Dems most, in the battle for image and identity with ordinary Americans.

Sarah Palin is now an American household word.

3,436 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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To: CurlyBill

Sarah showed that Biden’s 35 years mean exactly zero. And it was delicious to watch. Slo Joe drove his rambler until the wheels fell off, and it still couldn’t keep up. She was just too smart for him.


3,437 posted on 10/02/2008 9:02:48 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barrack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: tcrlaf
FACTCHECK.org saying Biden lied TEN TIMES tonite!!

Looks like they are setting Biden up to fall on his sword.

3,438 posted on 10/02/2008 9:03:06 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (McCain/Palin 2008 : Palin the Paladin 2012)
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To: Chaguito; StarFan

I guess I’m wondering if there is any other confirmation that Obama said anything to anybody besides Obama’s own claim and Biden’s claim.

Considering Obama’s ties to Fannie/Freddie, I’m having a hard time believing he was concerned - at all.


3,439 posted on 10/02/2008 9:03:07 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: tcrlaf

I wonder if they still are...


3,440 posted on 10/02/2008 9:03:08 PM PDT by Lexinom (I've got a bracelet, too!)
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