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9 PM Eastern: St. Louis Vice Presidential Debate Live Thread
c-span.org ^ | October 2, 2008

Posted on 10/02/2008 1:48:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, folks. Let's keep an eye on this debate and see if Sarah can beat down hairplug.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008debates; 2008veep; biden; debates; election; electionpresident; elections; gaffemachine; jumpingthegun; mccainpalin; palin; palinattacks; palinping; palinpraise; sarahpalin; vpdebate; whenbidenspeakszz; whenbidenspeakszzzz
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To: Bobkk47

Kraut is wrong and so are you. She made 3 important points that completely turned the tables in this race.

The race is now Drilling for energy independence, Corruption in DC/Wall St and leaving the war in victory. That was her job and she nailed it.

Now the Maverick can come in and backfill how he is the only one that can fill the job and that including the Fannie Mae mess that Obummer is up to his ears in.

She set the foundation and now watch McCain build the house. This race is now McCain’s after tonight. She was amazing.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops


3,181 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:11 PM PDT by bray (It's the Corruption Stupid)
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To: US34

Oh yeah...Welcome to FR.


3,182 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:22 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: jla

Joe Lieden


3,183 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:33 PM PDT by 1curiousmind (Call me if you need me, just not at 3am.)
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To: StarFan

bush vs algore

BTW notice ron paul did not manage to show in any of these polls.


3,184 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:38 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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when did plugs get the facelift?


3,185 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:58 PM PDT by Hones
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To: STARWISE

Only 10? LOL!!!


3,186 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:00 PM PDT by hattend (Woohoo, Sarah clubbed Plugs like bloated harp seal!!! He never knew what hit him!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

She made it clear she is one of ‘us’ and for the people.


3,187 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:04 PM PDT by rintense (Chuck Norris wears Sarah Palin pajamas.)
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To: ColoCdn

What? Troll? Get a grip. Or do you expect everyone here on FR to hold your opinion? So much for conservative intellectualism. Listen chief... You might research all my post before you start making an ass of yourself.


3,188 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:08 PM PDT by US34 (It's a long walk home)
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To: US34

Me? BS? Wow! OK


3,189 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:08 PM PDT by eyedigress ( My first 4 wheeler was on the rocks in Fairbanks)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want to marry Sarah Palin.


3,190 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:11 PM PDT by adlucem (If you argue for your weaknesses, sure enough: they're yours.)
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Three ABC pundits, all three agree Biden won. Gibson says well how bout that, two "republican" pundits agree Biden won.

Torie Clark, "republican strategist" agrees Biden won.

Donna Brazile agrees Biden won, I'm shocked. Matthew Dowd "political contributer (is he a 'republican'?)" agrees Biden won.

They didn't see what I saw. I thought she was very sharp. Biden was a lot better than I thought he would be, but I'd give her an edge, especially because she had to toe the McCain line.

Tons better than she did against democrat operative Couric.

3,191 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:12 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: mojo114; Cracker Jack

Mojo114,

I must give credit where due, it was Cracker Jack who initially posted that beautiful quote, and indeed it was a wonderful night wasn’t it :)

Tatt


3,192 posted on 10/02/2008 8:32:34 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: TexasNative2000

Debbie Wasserman (GIMMIE A LIGHT RAIL PORK PROJECT) Shultz is say biden won. (d)

She is a JOKE.

Cong. Shultz represents all that is wrong with beltway feminists.

Shultz WANTS TO RAISE TAXES.

BTW did she vote for the bail out?


3,193 posted on 10/02/2008 8:33:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: retrokitten

Ditka...Ditka...Ditka...Palin....Ditka...Ditka...Palin..Ditka..Ditka...Ditka...


3,194 posted on 10/02/2008 8:33:39 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: bray

White flag of surrender, drill baby drill and personal responsibility. Fabulous.


3,195 posted on 10/02/2008 8:33:50 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Chaguito

“He talked about his landmark legislative accomplishments, like 100,000 cops on the street. I seem to remember that that produced practically no cops and was a complete flameout. Help?”

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100,000 Cops on the Beat? Not Even If You Use New Math

WASHINGTON, Sept. 25, 2000—Eager to claim credit for a dropping national crime rate, President Clinton continues to boast of putting “more than 100,000 new community police officers” on the street through the Justice Department’s Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program.

But the first independent analysis of the program, released today by The Heritage Foundation, shows that the actual number of new officers added through COPS falls well below the 100,000 mark.

Analyzing the latest Justice Department data on COPS grants, along with crime statistics and other FBI data, researchers in Heritage’s Center for Data Analysis conclude that COPS—and a predecessor program that also funded community policing—added, at most, only some 40,000 full-time officers to the nation’s police ranks during its first five years (1993-1998).

Indeed, given the rapid growth in police hiring that began prior to 1993, the true number of police hires attributable to COPS may be considerably lower.

But a large proportion of COPS grants have flowed to agencies with relatively mild crime problems, Heritage’s team of researchers found. For example, among the 20 police departments receiving the largest COPS grants from 1993-1997, at least five (25 percent) had violent crime rates lower than the average for large (100,000+ population) cities.

from 1993 to1997, the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department received $44 million in COPS grants. During that same period, Nashville’s Metropolitan Police Department—battling nearly three times as many violent crimes and a violent crime rate three and a half times higher—received only a quarter of that amount ($11.8 million).

Some agencies added few police officers despite receiving large amounts of COPS funds. The Miami Police Department, for example, received nearly $46 million in COPS grants from 1993 to 1997. Of this amount, $34.4 million was marked for hiring new officers, yet the department expanded its ranks by only 21 officers—a cost of more than $1.6 million per officer. “Some COPS programs make those $800 Defense Department hammers look like a real bargain,”

Some funded agencies actually down-sized. The Atlanta Police Department received $15.3 million from 1993 to 1997, but dropped 75 officers (a 4.9 percent reduction) from 1994 to 1998. The biggest drop in officer strength, however, came right in COPS’ backyard: The Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department received $6.7 million in COPS funds to place more of its officers on the street, yet slashed 595 officers from its payroll (a 14.5 percent decline).

From 1993 to 1997, almost half (48 percent) of the $1.58 billion dispensed to the nation’s 315 largest police agencies went to just 10 police departments.

A July 1999 Justice Department report concluded: “Clearly, the COPS grants will not result in 100,000 additional officers on the streets by the end of FY 2000. Based on projections by the COPS Office, only 59,765 of the additional officers will by deployed by [then].”

Justice concluded that two of every five (41 percent) had used the money simply to “supplant local funds”—that is, to pay officers they would have hired even without federal funding.

http://tinyurl.com/4zssbw


3,196 posted on 10/02/2008 8:33:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: keats5

Yep, I noticed that and his touching her on the arm after the debate. Palin appropriately moved away and hubby asserted his presence.


3,197 posted on 10/02/2008 8:34:01 PM PDT by conservativepoet (The chief aim of order within Christianity is to make room for good things to romp and play.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Those 16 bit segments get me everytime!

Tee-hee. That's what all those Motorola guys said too. LOL

3,198 posted on 10/02/2008 8:34:30 PM PDT by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: alwaysconservative
I don't know about Luntz. I know ultimately its the American people who make that decision. What we saw tonight is the real Sarah is nothing like the MSM manufactured portrait of her as a lightweight bimbo unable to handle the job of being Vice President. She's the only candidate on the ticket who has executive and business experience. If she was at the top of the GOP ticket, the election would be over tonight. But John McCain was too proud to be any one but #1. Well, the rest is up to him now.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3,199 posted on 10/02/2008 8:34:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: word_warrior_bob

LMAO


3,200 posted on 10/02/2008 8:34:48 PM PDT by retrokitten (Today we are all Bosniacs!)
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