Posted on 09/11/2008 3:45:45 PM PDT by RKV
Ever since he was tried and convicted with Julius and Ethel Rosenberg on espionage charges in 1951, Morton Sobell has maintained his innocence.
A U.S. Marshal escorted Morton Sobell, left, to Federal Court in New York in March of 1951.
Until now. In an interview on Thursday, Mr. Sobell, who served nearly 19 years in Alcatraz and other federal prisons, admitted for the first time that he had been a Soviet spy. And he implicated his fellow defendant, Julius Rosenberg, in a conspiracy that delivered to the Soviets vital classified military information and what the American government claimed was the secret to the atomic bomb.
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The Continuing Censorship of ‘The Path to 9/11’
realclearpolitics.com | September 11, 2008 | John Ziegler
Posted on 09/11/2008 4:13:38 PM PDT by neverdem
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It is a thorough look at the case against the Rosenbergs, and he believes they were guilty.
However, he was played like a trout by the MSM, particulary the NYT, and by by the really high-up commies in the government, who of course were NOT CPUSA members, or belong to ANY commie front organizations, as per their orders from Moscow.
In chess terms, the commies sacrificed pawns, and checkmated Joe.
In regard to Armand Hammer and Senator Al Gore, Senior: Hammer bankrolled him lavishly. The real commie (and brain) in the Gore household was Al Jr.'s mommie. Al Sr. was just a crook with a commie angle. It's to Al Jr.s credit that he was elected at all in Tennessee, where the family is roundly despised, hated, and reviled.
The Gore Family fortune began with huge bribes from the Soviet Union.
Waves of immigrants came to the USA from 1880-1920: the Poles the Italians the Irish the Jews. Most of these ethnic groups voted for FDR by large majorities in 1932, 1936 & 1940, but over time they have assimilated and become less politically monolithic. Yet to this day the American jews still vote democratic by hefty majorities.
Why?
It is because Hollywood still strenuously maintains the communist lie about the 1950-54 McCarthy era. That lie is maintained by the recent movies “A Beautiful Mind,” and “Good Night and Good Luck”.
Shortly before his death in 1953 Stalin initiated the Doctor’s Plot. There are various reasons given for that. The KGB hated Israel. Many Americans who were enthusiastic supporters of the UN were Jewish. Edvard Radzinsky in his book “Stalin” argues that while at one time Stalin hoped Jewish financial capital would help rebuild the Soviet Union after the WWII, Stalin hated the prospect of suborning himself to the Baruch Plan and he flat out rejected IAEA nuclear controls—presented in 1946 (an attitude is not entirely dissimliar to that of Iran today.) The Russians were working on their own A-bomb based on stolen US designs. Stalin, himself a Geogian, wanted to insure that the Russians saw a Russian face to a Communist Party which was top heavy with Jews.
Whatever the reason, Stalin fomented the Doctor’s plot hysteria and broke off diplomatic relations with Israel. He was within days of preparing to exile the Soviet Jews to the Gulag (as was done previously with various other ethnic minorities such as the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, etc.), and initiate another great purge along the lines of 1938.
Stalin already had the concentration camps set up, and some of the preliminary accusations had gone out for the Doctor’s Plot. 100 or so Russian jews had already been executed when he died in 1953. The important thing to recall is that the Doctor’s Plot happened at the same time as the McCarthy anti communist business from 1950-54. Also in 1953, in the US the Rosenburgs were tried and executed for treason—and this less than a decade after the Holocaust. This naturally caused fear and suspicion in the US Jewish community. This fear and suspicion was played upon by knowledgeable communists and leftists—large numbers of whom were themselves jewish. These folk not only knew about what Stalin had done in the 1930s and had been about to do with the doctor’s plot before he died, but also saw the McCarthy trials as show trials american style . . . that is, a prelude to an american pogrom. For which the Rosenbergs were exhibit A.
In a brilliant piece of jujitsu, leftists and communists imputed to Americans on the right exactly what Stalin had planned to do. But it was done soto voce. Basically, a blood libel was perpetrated on Americans without their knowing it. Worse, Christian America was painted as the tribal enemy tooth and claw of the US jewish establishment without Christian America even knowing it. Never again! — Was the battle cry. But there weren’t any such enemies of Jews in the USA.
If there actually had been Christian tribal enemies in the USA, Meyer Kahane and his Jewish Defense League would have provoked them into a bloodletting. But Meyer never considered middle Americans to be enemies in way the current LA based leadership of the JDL. Rather he was an ardent anti communist when he was in the USA. When he went to Israel in the early 1970’s he became an ardent Zionist. In fact, he was more of a Zionist than most Israelis could stomach.
It is a curious irony of history that Meyer helped carry out Stalin’s last wish–to rid Russia of Jews– at just the time when it was becoming clear that communism wouldn’t work–and just after Russian Jews had been removed from the politburo. When Kahane died in 1990 it was at the hands of a Moslem.
While the American public outside NY/LA were generally given the view that the McCarthy era was an age when innocent men were unjustly tried by suspicious anti semites like McCarthy & Nixon, the NY/LA Jewish establishment was given a very different story. They were given to understand that the democrats/liberals had prevented the US from visiting a holocaust on them - and that American Jews owed their loyalty to the liberal democrats because the liberal democrats were the protectors of the Jews.
And this Meme went on untouched for decades after McCarthy.
This dual track story line didn’t crack until the early 1990’s when the KGB/NKVD/GRU opened up their files on the WWII-McCarthy period. In 1995 the US’s National Security Agency opened up their Venona files. Both Russian and American spy agency files showed that McCarthy was right. The Rosenburgs were guilty. The US government —notably including the Manhattan Project—had been at one time soaked with Russian Spies. While McCarthy had the details wrong, he got the general outline of the story right. Why did McCarthy get the outline right and the details wrong? The reason is that McCarthy’s relationship to Hoover was the same as Hoover’s relationship to the NSA.
The NSA told the FBI about the Venona intercepts but insisted that the FBI could not use NSA intercepts as evidence in court. The FBI had to develop their own leads. As a result most of the spies escaped prosecution. The FBI did not get their man.
In 1950 J. Edgar Hoover began weekly meetings with Joseph McCarthy. Those meetings ended in 1954. The beginning and end of those meetings coincided with the beginning and end of McCarthy star turn in the national spot light. McCarthy got most of the details of the spy story wrong but he got the general outline of the story right. His predicament was the same as that of the FBI. Whatever Hoover told him—McCarthy could not use in the senate hearings. To this day the FBI denies that Hoover told McCarthy anything about the Venona Cables and maybe Hoover said nothing explicit to McCarthy for which Hoover could be liable in court.
Needless to say, an American style shoah was never in the cards.
The reason that Hollywood hated Ronald Reagan so much was that he was an anti communist in Hollywood during the McCarthy period. To be staunchly anti communist in Hollywood or NYC at that time was to be at least vaguely anti semitic because in the 30’s to the 50’s communism was considered to be almost a secular form of Judaism in the Jewish communities of NY/LA. Given the reputation of the Jews in capitalist countries as the quintessential capitalists, this seems ironic. But in Russia, communism was a way to get ahead for the jews. And in addition to the opportunities communism presented to Jews, there was a biblical antecedent for jewish communists in the bible in the person of Joseph in Egypt because the relationship between Jews to Joseph’s Egypt maps over well to that between Jews and Communist Russia. And the history of the Jews from Joseph to Moses looks very similar to the rise to prominence of many Jews in the soviet communist bureaucracy from the 1917-1970 and the decades long expulsion of Russia’s jews after 1970 when it became clear that communism was not working. The Russians blamed Russian jews for the failure of communism.
Reagan was among the first wave of FDR democrats to switch parties. Reagan’s star turn in Hollywood ended after McCarthy, but his experiences in Hollywood served him well when he went into public service. He always understood the jujitsu of media talk of the age. Something that cannot be said of Nixon. Nixon’s rise to prominance began with his role with the House Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC)—a role for which gained visceral leftist enemies with long memories (in the way John Kerry gained prominence during the Viet Nam era and made visceral enemies of the swift boat veterans.) Nixons fall also coincides with the Russian expulsion of Russia’s jews.
I would not argue that Nixon paid the price for Russia’s expulsion of Russian jews. That stretches the point. However, when I hear American based Moslems talking about McCarthyism being visited on them, I have to laugh. They have unknowingly pronounced themselves guilty in the eyes of many Americans.
The history of the McCarthy period now is forgotten among American Jews except for the vague idea that somehow Republicans are bad and somehow Democrats are good.
As for the Democrats, part of the reason for the loss of their inner coherence in the last decade has been that the part of their foundational raison d’être which stems from the McCarthy era was revealed to be based on a lie. So now the core of the Democratic Party is the sodomites. Those people are not just confusing, they are confused.
David Horowitz interviewed by Rush Limbaugh last year — talked about how his parents were communists and he was a communist in college. He said when he was in college his views were always treated respectfully by his professors. But, he said recently, a young Christian college student told him that his homosexual college professor had singled him out in class and asked him “Why do you Christians hate queers?” Asked why he continued to do what he did in the face of all the abuse he gets, David Horowitz said that - like Rush - he took public political positions because he had to. But also he said he did it as a matter of atonement.
He gets it.
Venona Historical Writings that include comparisons of venona and russian spy lists and the changing venona story in the academy. http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page43.html http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/index.html
Ah, memories . . . on one of my last active duty days in January, 1953, I went to take a last look at the White House (wearing civvies, I think). A small mob with "Save the Rosenbergs" signs was milling around. (This was also one of Harry Truman's last duty days). I started taking pictures and some guy came up and started pestering me, saying I was wasting my film. Couldn't figure out which side he was on.
That's beginning to change.
In my days as a Leftist myself, I knew several Jews who escaped the Holocaust, coming to the United States from Germany in the 1930's. All of them were communists, a few were Communists, and all continued to be Stalin excusers long after the Khrushchev Report that so alienated Horowitz's own parents, and well after the Doctor's plot became known. In fact, the ravings of a visiting East German Professor (who I'm convinced was an informant and maybe even officer of the Stasi) one night in 1983 was instrumental in my own conversion to conservatism.
One of the principal complaints Hitler used against the Jews was their "Bolshevism." This wasn't altogether without historical justification -- understand me: I'm no Buchananite, and I'm not saying a history of Left-wing agitation in Europe justifies anything done by the Nazis. But the question remains: before McCarthy, before the Shoah, in many cases before the October Revolution, many Jews were already communists -- why? I don't know the answer to this question, but I believe the bleed-through of this tradition and its dessimination into a wider audience has something to do with the historical liberalism of some Jews.
If you haven't read the book by M. Stanton Evans referenced by Peter Libra on this thread, go here: http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/140008105X It's worth a buy, and a read, especially if you've already read about the previous cases, HUAC, Bentley, and later confirming evidence like Venona or the Yale Russian Archive Project.
It is simply false to say most of the people revealed by McCarthy were already read out by HUAC, Bentley or Chambers. Most of the people accused by McCarthy were already well known, that much is true. The problem is, despite their having been exposed by various internal investigations at State and the FBI, they still continued to work at State or at other sensitive positions in the government. That was the gist of McCarthy's original complaint. McCarthy did pioneering work on the role of traitors in the State Department and the fall of China: the cover-up of that investigation, championed by the Democrats, is one of the great betrayals in American History.
McCarthy lost his friends when he accused George Marshall -- obliquely but obviously -- of complicity in the fall of China. After that, McCarthy lost his allies, including the soon-to-be President. The book is outstanding, and a long overdue reexamination of tail-gunner Joe's anti-communist career. Two books William F. Buckley, Jr. wrote -- one factual with Brent Bozell Jr, and the other fictionalized, toward the end of his life, are also interesting and worthwhile reads.
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Joseph Welch was a communist? The Judge from ‘Anatomy of a Murder’?
There's been a claim over the years that Welch's rant is what precipitated Republican big dogs turning away from McCarthy. More likely since any serious investigation into Welch would put the spotlight on the Commie, and the glare would include Eisenhower, the big dogs simply decided it wasn't worth the effort to continue with a story that'd spent itself.
The bloom was off TV.
The FBI, under Hoover, were completely outmaneuvered by the KGB, who continually disinformed them through a series of false defectors. At one point, the CPUSA probably had so many FBI agents as members, that the communists ran it as a side show and a distraction to their real objectives.
At other points, JEH was informed of NSA and CIA suspicions about his defectors and chose to overrule them! THe rivalry between Hoover, the CIA, NSA, ONI, etc. was most destructive and played into commie hands.
As to your point: Democrats, part of the reason for the loss of their ... foundational raison d’etre ... McCarthy era was revealed to be based on a lie. So now the core of the Democratic Party is the sodomites....
I disagree: Marxists have maintained their ideology and been successful in updating it. Witness the academic formation of Barack Obama. Today, one school of communists think the reason communism failed is because it was run by Russians. They want to try it again along more ideologically pure germanic lines. The other school of communist thought looks to Mao and the CHICOM for inspiration. Either way, the Communists have succeeded in taking over one institutional foundation of the West, the educational systems. Today's students drink deeply and don't even know what it is.
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Case closed: The Rosenbergs were Soviet spies (FReeper LS cited)
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 17, 2008 | Ronald Radosh
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:45:47 AM by abb
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