Posted on 09/02/2008 8:02:53 PM PDT by reaganaut1
TBILISI, Georgia Just weeks after Georgias military collapsed in panic in the face of the Russian Army, its leaders hope to rebuild and train its armed forces as if another war with Russia is almost inevitable.
Georgia is already drawing up lists of options, including restoring the military to its prewar strength or making it a much larger force with more modern equipment, like air-defense systems, modern antiarmor rockets and night-vision devices.
Officials at the Pentagon, State Department and White House confirmed that the Bush administration was examining what would be required to rebuild Georgias military, but stressed that no decisions had been made. The choices each pose difficult foreign policy questions.
Georgias decision to attack Russian and South Ossetian forces raises questions about the wisdom of further United States investment in the Georgian military, which in any case would further alienate Russia. Not doing so could lead to charges of abandoning Georgia in the face of Russian threats.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
but I will see what happens when next time Russia recognizes Basque country, or Tirol, or northern Italy... only then precedent set in Georgia will be of importance to you, but it will be too late.
OK, let me get this straight... Baltic states have more importance because they are part of NATO and EU. Georgia wants to become part of NATO, French and German president block MAP and Russia pretty much uses this to invade the country...
it was very interesting to discuss with you.
but i have to stop right now because i have to go to work.
greets
jesus christ i´m totally confused today ;-)
the last post was directed to you
but I will see what happens when next time Russia recognizes Basque country, or Tirol, or northern Italy... only then precedent set in Georgia will be of importance to you, but it will be too late ==
The precendent was established not in Georgia but in Serbia (the Kosovo precendent).
Parrot: This,...allong with many evidences...such as the full scale South Federal District military manuevers in July,...with Elite units,...having their full mechanized armor flown in,...and their ammo stockpiles particular to their brigades,....confirms the premise,..that Russia drilled,....and then flipped it Live on the Georgians!
Russia has an attitude now,...but yet,..its just resurfaced.
Chechens bloodied Russia,....Russia sought ceasefire,,...and then signed a peace treaty leaving Chechnyu independent.
Russia invaded in 1999...and secured their win in 2000.
Seems like Russian foreign policy is to invade/attack when it suits them,....treaty's mean nothing type thing. Former FSB director and prime minister of Russia Sergei Stepashin said in an interview to Novaya gazeta that "the decision to invade Chechnya was made in March 1999"..[wiki]
I applaud your stand MarMena,......Russia will extort,..and by force....when it suits them.
Georgia should be armed and trained to defend with quality weapons....quality!
Seeing that Europe is caving in allready.....[Gee who would have thunk : )],....all the more reason to commit to Georgia.
Kind of funny, came across it accidentally doing a search for other things, and just had to share....
Leave the land for Georgia. Whenever it was given to Georgia, it is now Georgian land. Russia will never keep it.
It is a lowlife tactic to go into another country and give them passports, then put them on the dole, and look the other way while smuggling takes place.
Oh btw, I hope you don't mind if we recognize Ingushetia as an independent country. And Chechnya. Looks like it has become a project. I hope it happens.
"But South Ossetians will probably never concede that tens of thousands of Ossetians who live peacefully in Georgia proper. Has it ever occurred to them that the notoriously bloodthirsty Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili hasn't attacked Ossetians in Gori, Tbilisi or Poti, where they are vulnerable and unprotected by South Ossetian leader Eduard Kokoity?"
The Clintons cut the military 40%; Obama will make that seem small--everyone's seen his 52-second video.
And Obama wants to cut the missile defense.
Palin knows about that stuff; I belief we have some of that stuff in her front yard.
We don't hear so much about Yamantau Mountain and Biopreparat now.
Everything is rosy. Just ask any journalist in Russia.
They will tell you.
I am sure.
See? Walter Duranty was right. Nice Bear. Nice Bear.
Well he is the perfect Rus leader and embodies everything they admire in a man.Bully, thug, loudmouth, braggart, murderer and boor.Wow,..kinda like all the Russians I ever known.
You can always hide in those tunnels Harry Lime was familiar with.
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right after they get their will in order, that is.
Wasn’t that something? I was amazed when I saw it.
Ahem, we have already said we would rebuild their army with them, and Russia is not happy about it. Yawn.
The bottom line is; no one asks Europe to sever all relations with Russia, but there are tons of things in between you can do. e.g. Austria is a headquarter of one of the larger real estate companies which is purely FSB shop - why don't you guys investigate them. Because there was no FCPA type legislation in Europe, a lot of European companies, including, BTW very prominent Austrian banks have engaged in a rather questionable transactions with countries of former Soviet Union - why wouldn't you now investigate of all of this under new AML legislation which EU seems to be so proud! EU needs to hit them where it hurts the most... and these are not even Russian gas sales but accounts of Russian government officials comfortably sitting in account, including Austrian banks... what's wrong with that... most of that money came from arms trade or illegal activities anyway, so investigating such should not be a problem - in bloody fact that what EU legislation actively calls for!
And lastly, European Parliament certainly does not appear to share your views - see the resolution they adopted just yesterday...
That's one load of crap and you certainly know it. Kosovo happened to be just good pretext for Putin to do what he was planning to do long time ago. Even back in 2006, when there was no Kosovo independence talks he was drawing parallels between Northern Cyprus and Abkhazia... he had this on his agenda way too long now; why did Russia withdrew from common arms treaty that was preventing it to have more than 200 tanks in southern Russia? I think we know the answer now... and besides, even if Kosovo did not happen and Northern Cyprus would have fallen through, it would be very easy to FSB to blow up three buildings, one in Tskhinvali, one say in Krasnodar and one in the outskirts of Moscow to say that Georgian terrorists did this and that would have been enough justification to invade the country... come on, they were already doing it; remember, when a LPG small tank blew up in Gagra this summer everyone was very quick to find “Georgian trail” in this incident, even though local new paper reported this as a household incident... there was rather sarcastic remarks about this on Lenta.ru....
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