Posted on 09/02/2008 8:02:53 PM PDT by reaganaut1
TBILISI, Georgia Just weeks after Georgias military collapsed in panic in the face of the Russian Army, its leaders hope to rebuild and train its armed forces as if another war with Russia is almost inevitable.
Georgia is already drawing up lists of options, including restoring the military to its prewar strength or making it a much larger force with more modern equipment, like air-defense systems, modern antiarmor rockets and night-vision devices.
Officials at the Pentagon, State Department and White House confirmed that the Bush administration was examining what would be required to rebuild Georgias military, but stressed that no decisions had been made. The choices each pose difficult foreign policy questions.
Georgias decision to attack Russian and South Ossetian forces raises questions about the wisdom of further United States investment in the Georgian military, which in any case would further alienate Russia. Not doing so could lead to charges of abandoning Georgia in the face of Russian threats.
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Or do you think that Russia will consider that it is enough and stop with Georgia? You really think they will not come after Baltic states - these countries have up to 45% of Russians living there... handing out passports that would take them six month and you have a pretext for invasion into a EU country? What are you going to do then? Or are these countries not important to EU either?
Again, I point to Afghanistan who succesfully beat the Russians off of them with a few Stinger missiles and AK-47’s. This is a historical fact.==
Afganies didn’t win. Soviet Union just got tired to kill them. When Afgani losses came close to 1.5 millions (against 15 thousands of soviets - 1:100) then even hard core commies began to ask question for what sake that war was? Soviets didn’t wnat to kill whole Afganistan population as teh reslt of war. Soviet army could continue 10 more years but no more Afganies lived there.
So Soviet army just withdrew to stop useless bloodshed.
You are buying the hype on the Russians. The truth is that the 3rd Armored Division pretty much alone knocked off the 4th largest army in the world equipped with Russian stuff. The Israeli Air Force in F-16’s (our average small fighter) took out the entire Syrian Air Force equipped with Russian stuff. ==
What if we exchange Soviet stuff to hands of Isralies and American stuff into hands of Arabs. Would Arabs win then?
I would doubt. That is the key problem. Arabs or Georgians sismply cann’t fight as Europians.
So I conclude: Whatever long you train Arabs or Georgians and whatever advanced stuff you give them they will run again.
The Georgians could make it very painful with the proper defensive equipment and training. ==
The pain they infliced will return back 10 folded. Be sure. Russians know how to fight. See the size of the country.
Or do you think that Russia will consider that it is enough and stop with Georgia? You really think they will not come after Baltic states - these countries have up to 45% of Russians living there... handing out passports that would take them six month and you have a pretext for invasion into a EU country? What are you going to do then? Or are these countries not important to EU either?==
If any Baltic president will not MLRS the sleepeing towns at night then Baltic country ar esafe form Russian invasion.
You cann’t get Lasha that your Saaki man asked for it the great deal. We do not need no Georgia whatsoever so as your tiny pipeline. That is why Russian troops stopped and didn’t take Tbilisi. Again Georgia brought it on herself by your insane nationalistic politician.
If now on Geogria will sit quietly and stop her militaristic dreams to retake S.OSetia and Abkhazia then Russia will leave you alone.
http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373282
If you do not need Georgia or its tiny pipeline, then get your military out of here and cancel recognition of these pathetic enclaves you refer to as states...
You're a big fat liar. The Russian people got tired of seeing their sons killed in Afghanistan for nothing.
handing out passports that would take them six month and you have a pretext for invasion into a EU country?
hm... that's what you think. These guys can ALWAYS finds someone and use this as pretext. Russia knows well seeing how Europeans act that there will never be a WWIII... but have not you heard Medvedev pledging to defend Russian citizens NO MATTER where they are? that includes, my friend, European countries... and to get EU 27 to act takes 27 and it only takes a good friend of Putin like Berluskoni to keep you guys shut for good!
and do not mix Russia with people that run it! These people make millions of dollars on instigated wars; wars are profit making machines for these guys! you still want to bet on this?
btw. a direct war between the “west” an russia doesn´t make sense as long as you don´t want to end the world as we know it. it wouldn´t matter who would win the “conventional” war. before one side would lose and get defeated they would threat to use nukes if the attacks contine. and then you would have to start from the very beginning by asking yourself the question “do we really want to end our civilizations over this by starting a nuclear war”?
there are way too many things you can do short of nuclear war!
hm... that’s what you think. These guys can ALWAYS finds someone and use this as pretext. Russia knows well seeing how Europeans act that there will never be a WWIII... but have not you heard Medvedev pledging to defend Russian citizens NO MATTER where they are? that includes, my friend, European countries... and to get EU 27 to act takes 27 and it only takes a good friend of Putin like Berluskoni to keep you guys shut for good!
7. if a member state is victim of an armed agression the other member states shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all means in their power......
i didn´t post all because i had to write it down because it´s in pdf format so i cannot copy and paste.
btw. no one here is waiting for a russian attack on the EU. this ist just insane. it´s not cold war anymore even some americans keep telling it all day long that russia will attack and conquer europe. WE DO NOT FEAR THEM NOR DO THEY FEAR US for gods sake. this is not just my oppinion this is common sense here on both sides.
I really cannot make you rethink your happy being and a small world of happiness and prosperity you folks created around yourselves, but when Russians will come to get you, it will be too late
so now, here, they invaded half of the country and what you propose to do; exactly nothing...
and if EU had no interest, why in the world your current president was running like crazy brokering ceasefire agreement? may be it would have been better that he and Merkel did not listen to Putin and actually had granted MAP to Georgia back in April, so that none of this would have happened...
really - you really believe Saakashvili for whatever he is caused all of this?
nd if EU had no interest, why in the world your current president was running like crazy brokering ceasefire agreement? may be it would have been better that he and Merkel did not listen to Putin and actually had granted MAP to Georgia back in April, so that none of this would have happened..
If you do not need Georgia or its tiny pipeline, then get your military out of here and cancel recognition of these pathetic enclaves you refer to as states... ==
Lasha those “enclaves” are not enclaves since they are not inside Georgia. We both know that those people Abkhazians and Osetians was given to Georgia by Josef Stalin the commies dictator. Those who support those “enclaves” in Georgia are just damn stalinists. But we Russians are not.
Georgians waged 4 wars on Osetians alone during last 90 years. 2 in the 1920th (1918, 1920) and 2 again in 1992 and now in 2008. Osetians keep hate your people and do not want live with you in one country. Maybe it is enough of wars? You cann’t force them anyways. They will turn to us everytime to get rid of you. So maybe let it be? Maybe it is better for you to concentrat eon economy and prove everyone on Caucausus that Georgia is the better place? With war Georgia will get nothing.
You’re a big fat liar. The Russian people got tired of seeing their sons killed in Afghanistan for nothing.
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Russian loses about 30000 in car crushes alone each year but soviet army casualties were 15 thousands on 300 millions of teh population of USSR.
SO I do not say that those casualties in Afganistan were unnnoticed but they were far from the level to protest. I presume that the population of Afganistan would run out early then any protest of soviet army casualties gathered momentum.
So it wasn’t no casualties which stopped Soviet-Afgan war but just the senselessness of the depopulating of Afganistan.
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