Posted on 08/09/2008 1:30:46 AM PDT by HAL9000
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GORI, Georgia, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Russia said it had driven Georgian forces from the capital of South Ossetia on Saturday as part of an operation to force Georgia to accept peace in its breakaway region."Tactical groups have fully liberated Tskhinvali from the Georgian military and have started pushing Georgian units beyond the zone of peacekeepers responsibility," Tass quoted Ground Forces commander Vladimir Boldyrev as saying.
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Sorry, but you’re not talking to some teenager or surfer where you can feel good about putting him in his place.
I’m very conservative, very rightwing by the way.
A handfull of raids on a couple of MS13 thugs here and there is a drop in the bucket. Houston is crawling with these guys and Zapetas. And these thugs cross the border daily. And Mexican military attacked a border agent recently and they recently attacked a home in Phoenix!
Where is the SWAT teams against this?
Why are border patrol not allowed to fire on drug dealers and Mexican military escorting them?
I live in Texas and I hear the stories and it’s downright scary what the Feds are allowing. And it’s painful to see safe, pleasant communities turn into gangsta town.
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Define "here".
Yes, but the the "Final Solution" was not made until after the United States entered the war.
Who are you Russian, Serb?
I'll ask you. What town and when?
Why aren't you answering the question? Did the Soviet Union invade Afghanistan or not? Were the 18 year olds you were worried about there to defend their country or to invade another? Answer the question.
Oh, and if you're concerned about undiplomatic responses, you might want to look at your descriptions of your fellow Freepers in this thread. Pull the plank out of your eye.
So you believe President Bush is 100% always right?
No, I believe you're ignorant and prejudiced in the area of foreign policy and have nothing like his wisdom and experience, and I believe that because you have proven it on this thread several times over. He is not always right, but he would have to drink himself into a stupor before he would have your foreign policy acumen.
They’re coming in to protect ethnic Russians in Ossetia.
Protect the ethnic Russians from what?
The general population is in pretty bad shape financially, morally and have lost their pride. This is why Putin is able to manipulate the entire society into thinking that the good ole days will return, but there never were good ole days! It was a myth.
Russians, like their Germanic counterparts, will try again and again to rise like the phoenix, and return to a greatness that was never real to begin with.
As a result, we will continue to have wars fought by proxy, for the most part until the crap hits the fan one day.
We are very, very close now, to WWIII. It's a given, under the current circumstances. Russia, Iran and China are gradually doing the things necessary in preparation for this war, and we need to be ready for it, because when it occurs, their will be annihilation on all sides and there will be no winner.
It's unfortunate, but it's also very human. It is for this reason that we are not yet ready for prime time, much less a long peaceful prosperity.
Knowing this, you would think would cause some introspection by those who threaten others. The Russians are not involved in this to protect anyone, they simply want Georgia back into the former USSR fold and are doing these instigation's in order to prompt Georgia into a short war that knocks all the stuffing out of them and causes the people to demand a return to Russian membership to stop the madness.
It's that simple. Over the last few months and years, the Russians have salted the breakaways with Russian passports, money and materials. They want it all back so that they can sit at the table with the Chinese and the Iranians as a power in what will come.
The sad thing is that the Russians will gain nothing and likely be totally destroyed this time around. But they can't change, because they think a return to a greatness they never had is more important.
Come on SolidWood, in no way did I say Russia is always 100% right and that Putin is the best guy in the world. I’ve made my position crystal clear. Here it is again:
1) I believe in a strike on Iran or any Muslim countrie’s nuke or WMD facilities in lieu of a missle shield.
2) I believe in a shield to protect Israel.
3) I believe this war between Russia and Georgia is senseless killing that must stop.
4) I believe the folks in Washington don’t give a rat’s a$$ about you or I. I want a strong leader, yes, much like Putin who looks out for his people. When our neighborhoods are flooded with illegals and tens of thousands of muzzies keep immigrating here and now AIDS infected immigrants are coming, that tells me the folks in Washington don’t care about us. Gangstas reprdocuing like rabbits on viagra shooting up neighborhoods and not being crushed speaks volumes. Allowing California to turn into a part of Mexico unchecked speaks volumes. WW II vets didn’t fight for that!
5) I believe in the US being nationalist and looking out for its people not trans-national corporations.
6) I believe in a Reagan type government, perhaps even more tilted to the right.
7) I believe in the US not getting caught up in foreign entanglements.
8) I’m concerned about the demographic collapse of Western Man and of Christianity being stripped from us. From all that I see and read, some policy planners apparently want Western Man and Christianity to be a faded memory and that’s got to be stopped.
Ditto and amen. Leadership happens.
Speaking of presidential foreign policy responses, this is food for thought I just read about McCain and Obama: ‘Invasion of Georgia’ a ‘3 a.m. moment’
But the “slaughtering countless civilians” is exactly what Georgia did attacking the sleeping town at night. Ask them why they did that?
I’ll ask you. What town and when?==
My God you do not know nothing about why this thing happened?
At night between 7 to 8 of August 2008 Geirgian forces started artillary abarage on town Tskhinval were civilians with russian citizenship and russian peacekeepers. Then they attacked the town with tanks. During this night attack many civilians were killed together with about 10+ peacekeepers.
That is the reason why Russia next day get involved into this. Russia came to defend russian citizens and peacekeepers.
Just imagine if some night in Panama thier military will attack some town with american civilans and military? What will do America next day? I know answer myself. Next day they will be anmerican tansk all along. And no Russia who will blame America for that.
I’m very conservative, very rightwing by the way.
I'm shocked! Conservative and also very right-wing? As opposed to left-wing conservatives? LOL. What a joke.
Sorry, but you’re not talking to some teenager or surfer where you can feel good about putting him in his place.
Listen, buddy. You registed in June 2008, post totally baseless comments devoid of facts and have the gall to insult longtime FReepers who dispute you reasonably.
You insult Freepers as quote:
"Most people here don’t know what the heck they’re talking about.
They’re just going off on knee-jerk reactions and racial hatred of Russians and slavic people.
Just a bunch of old beer-drinking farts who sit around watching football who have to have an opinion about stuff they don’t know squat about."
Creep back to the Kremlin before the kitties get you, troll. (Or better Gremlin?)
Putin is a thug and a tyrant, no better than Lenin and Stalin. He oppresses the Russian people. You should be ashamed of that statement.
“When the Russians fought the Afghan muzzies, the US Gov supplied state-of-the-art weaponry that killed many an 18-year old Russian boy.”
Never heard of Vietnam? Payback is a medevac.
Russians have chosen to be our enemies and they are indeed are our enemies. Why do you think NATO still exists lol.
My FRiend, if Russia had decided to just build the shield without telling anyone about it, I would be worried. But, if Russia decided to do the following...
1. Share the shield with several other countries.
2. Offer America and NATO the technology to build a shield of our own (as we offered it to them)
3. Concentrate the shield in parts of their territory that Iran could attack while leaving other parts vulnerable to NATO or Chinese attack (in the same way America is giving the shield first to Israel and to the NATO countries that can be hit with an Iranian missile)
...then I would not feel threatened at all.
So why does Russia?
To use the bulletproof vest analogy, let's say my neighbor and I both have shotguns. He buys a bullet proof vest and says, "I'm worried that guy at the end of the street might shot at us both. Here's a bulletproof vest so he can't hit you." I turn it down. After that conversation, should I see his vest as a sign that he is preparing to kill me with his shotgun?
Isn't that what Puty Poot Putin wants as much as he reminisces about it.
US. Oh, and then there’s 400 US military bases scattered throughout the world. Russia doesn’t have any of that. So it would appear the US Feds are the imperialist ones.
US bases around the world are under agreement with the host nations. The U.S. bases are not there under any imperialist function.
What the Hell does it matter?
The military and political reasons are obvious.
A shield is Defensive. - It has no offensive capability.
your post likening the shield to a machine gun is ridiculous.
After that conversation, should I see his vest as a sign that he is preparing to kill me with his shotgun? ==
IMO it is matter of trust. If you trust this guy then the answer is no. If you do not trust him then you should go and buy long burrel rifle. If he will ask you why you did that you will answer this rifle just against him that guy down the street. But in your inner thought you know that just teh precausion so you may use it against this guy new bullet proof vest and that guy down the street. Again it is matter of trust.
Transformers was caught by Zot-Kitties already.
It’s really sad that you are so ignorant of Islam in general and of that particularly brutal form practiced by Turks.
Those are not the facts. As much as you wish they were they are not.
Most people including Georgians living in South Ossetia do feel liberated by Russia.
The present government of Georgia is hampered by scandals, political assassinations and other Soros tactics. It almost fell a while back when thousands of Geogians massed in the capital seeking to throw out Sasskavili and his bunch.
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