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What are the chances that genetics DON'T play a major role here? Zero, in my opinion.
1 posted on 07/07/2008 6:38:16 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Obama ain’t gonna like this...


2 posted on 07/07/2008 6:40:21 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: liberallarry

See also: “An affirmative action policy that allowed racial and ethnic variations in academic benchmarks was abandoned in the late 1990s. Afterward, admissions of black and Hispanic students plummeted. In 2001, nine black or Hispanic students were admitted, down from nearly 50 in 1994, according to the board’s Minority Student Achievement Oversight Committee.” It is really just a matter of time until all this overachievement is drowned again in a sea of affirmative action.


3 posted on 07/07/2008 6:42:30 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: liberallarry

Maybe they qualified and others didn’t. It’s just a thought.


4 posted on 07/07/2008 6:43:06 AM PDT by jy1297
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5 posted on 07/07/2008 6:47:12 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: liberallarry
I've always been in favor of keeping a few Asians around.


7 posted on 07/07/2008 6:48:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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And a culture that values work and academic accomplishment? Must not count for much in your opinion. All humans are very similar in their DNA. Asian accomplishment is due to hard work and a culture that values it. But keep telling white kids they have a genetic disadvantage, no need to get up off the couch and put down the Nintendo.
8 posted on 07/07/2008 6:51:15 AM PDT by allmendream
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To: liberallarry

Maybe they should be ‘bussed’ to all the other schools to even things out?

(hey, they thought it would work for other minority groups)


13 posted on 07/07/2008 6:53:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: liberallarry; allmendream

I agree with amd -

it’s not genetics, it’s not skin color or the shape of the eye,

it’s the culture and the culture’s values that are at work here,

both at the positive and negative end of the academic achievement scale.


14 posted on 07/07/2008 6:53:58 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: liberallarry

IT is not genetics, it is attitude. Blacks from Africa, genetically identical to American blacks, come over to the USA and are very successful - because they are hardworking and positive about the future.


19 posted on 07/07/2008 7:00:46 AM PDT by ikka
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“The success of Asian American students reflects the educational commitment found in many immigrant communities, particularly for second-generation students fluent in English and encouraged by upwardly mobile parents who came to the United States for higher education or professional positions.”

Abdo-lutely true!

“Minority advocates and education experts say raising black and Hispanic enrollment at T.J. must be a long-term effort.”

Hey! Advocates! It starts at home, you fools!


23 posted on 07/07/2008 7:07:08 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: liberallarry

Sadly there are far too many schools in the USA who have Asian quotas. For the obvious reasons. Other parents strongly object to their own children being outshown by the Asian students.


24 posted on 07/07/2008 7:07:41 AM PDT by Carley
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To: liberallarry
What are the chances that genetics DON'T play a major role

The brain is the last frontier; it's inconceivable that it won't be be fully understood within 50-100 years. What a grand irony it will be if (A) scientists develop gene therapies that allow (AAs) to excel in various academic disciplines.

38 posted on 07/07/2008 7:25:11 AM PDT by semantic
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To: liberallarry
It's not genetics, it's culture. After several generations in the United States, Asians perform pretty much like the white kids when their families don't drive them to get 4.0 GPAs. And Carribean black do quite well, having average incomes on par or above those of whites. As Thomas Sowell points out, the stereotype of the "dumb pollack" came from WW2 IQ testing that showed people of Polish ancestry as having below-average IQ. By WW2, that same ethnicity had above average IQs. Unless you want to make a Lemarckian genetics argument, I think it's pretty clear that the genes aren't what changed.
40 posted on 07/07/2008 7:26:25 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: liberallarry
What are the chances that genetics DON'T play a major role here? Zero, in my opinion.

I suspect culture has more to do with it.

50 posted on 07/07/2008 7:39:46 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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No, I wouldn’t say genetics. Instead I’d say family and drive. Asian kids are often pushed, or push themselves without mercy. They bring home a B and are asked why it isn’t an A. They bring home 95% and are asked why not 100%. The entire family has high expectations and the time and effort is put into ensuring results.

It takes a family unit to push this way.


58 posted on 07/07/2008 7:47:16 AM PDT by zek157
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I don’t think it is genetics that is at play here . All the Asian Americans that I personally know (mostly of Chinese heritage ) did not rely on the school system to educate their children ( I didn’t either and mine is also at the top of her class and is hispanic )

If you allow the system to teach your children they will never be more than average or just slightly above average students .

It takes a huge personal effort by the parents at a very early age to really make children excel academically . Quite frankly most Hispanics and most black Americans (many white Americans too ) are more interested in teaching their children about fashion and fancy sneakers than they are teaching them algebra at an early age .

Next year is my daughters senior year and by the time she finished she will only need around 6 months worth of college classes to complete her second year .

I didn’t let her hang out , she doesn’t date , she has never worn “ name brand “ clothes or shoes . Instead of spending my money on high priced “fashion items “ I bought software to tutor her or did it myself. Instead of spending money on summer camps that teach art , sports etc. I spent my money on academic and leadership camps .


59 posted on 07/07/2008 7:47:39 AM PDT by Lera
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To: liberallarry

Years ago there used to be complaints about a disproportionate number of Jews in prestigious academic openings.


63 posted on 07/07/2008 8:02:33 AM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: liberallarry

One of my kids went to that school (TJ), and it was so refreshing. The principal would greet new admittees by saying ‘this is the closest thing you will ever experience to a meritocracy.’ Well, that was long ago and far away.


78 posted on 07/07/2008 8:36:49 AM PDT by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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