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Lock and Load [NY Times Double Bag Barf Alert]
New York Times ^ | June 27, 2008

Posted on 06/27/2008 5:09:33 AM PDT by Zakeet

Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year — on the job, walking to school, at the shopping mall. The Supreme Court on Thursday all but ensured that even more Americans will die senselessly with its wrongheaded and dangerous ruling striking down key parts of the District of Columbia’s gun-control law.

In a radical break from 70 years of Supreme Court precedent, Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, declared that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to bear arms for nonmilitary uses, even though the amendment clearly links the right to service in a “militia.” The ruling will give gun-rights advocates a powerful new legal tool to try to strike down gun-control laws across the nation.

This is a decision that will cost innocent lives, cause immeasurable pain and suffering and turn America into a more dangerous country. It will also diminish our standing in the world, sending yet another message that the United States values gun rights over human life.

There already is a national glut of firearms: estimates run between 193 million and 250 million guns. The harm they do is constantly on heartbreaking display. Thirty-three dead last year in the shootings at Virginia Tech. Six killed this year at Northern Illinois University.

On Wednesday, as the court was getting ready to release its decision, a worker in a Kentucky plastics plant shot his supervisor, four co-workers and himself to death.

Cities and states have tried to stanch the killing with gun-control laws. The District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates, banned the possession of nearly all handguns and required that other firearms be stored unloaded and disassembled, or bound with a trigger lock.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; democrats; elections; guncontrol; guns; heller; rkba; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: silverleaf

I thought the NOPD came and disarmed the militia before it could swing into action.


61 posted on 06/27/2008 6:04:13 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: navyguy
Liberals love to wage tyranny over others from the comfort of their country estates.

With armed bodyguards! EXACTLY!!!

62 posted on 06/27/2008 6:08:42 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Zakeet

Let’s be candid, gun laws are written for and only affect law abiding citizens. The NY “Wimpy” Times can cry all it likes about the ruling, but the fact is this: The US has OVER 20,000 active gun laws on the books, and not a single one of them can or will stop the next gun crime.

The Second Amendment and the SCOTUS’ recent ruling just levels the playing field. Concealed carry is a plus for the good guys and open carry would be even better.


63 posted on 06/27/2008 6:08:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: n230099

Yes, I’m guessing he broke more than one of the existing laws of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.


64 posted on 06/27/2008 6:09:08 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Zakeet

“even though the amendment clearly links the right to service in a “militia.” “

Scalia completely destroyed that argument yet the freedom hating anti-gunners still cling to it.


65 posted on 06/27/2008 6:09:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Zakeet
... even though the amendment clearly links the right to service in a “militia.”

Wrong! It is in fact the other way around. Private ownership of guns ensures that if needed, a "militia" can be raised without the help of the "government". After all removing a corrupt "government" may be the reason the "militia" is needed.

66 posted on 06/27/2008 6:12:02 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Russ

Despite all of McCain’s flaws, in truth he lines up with Bush on most positions and is better than him on others, such as opposing pork barrel spending. Those who are planning on voting third party or sit home on election day in order to “teach the GOP a lesson” better think long and hard about just WHO gets to replace Justices Stevens and Ginsberg in the next 8 years.


67 posted on 06/27/2008 6:14:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Zakeet
"If the ruling is held to apply to the states, and not just to the District of Columbia — which is not certain — there will still be considerable dispute about what it means for other less-sweeping gun laws. Judges may end up deciding these on a law-by-law basis."
WDC did not even exist when the US Constitution was adopted. Of course it applies to the states! ;-)
68 posted on 06/27/2008 6:14:44 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: Fellow Traveler

Common knowledge here in DC.

I hear Justice Ginsburg is not in the best of health.


69 posted on 06/27/2008 6:16:39 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Zakeet

One of the good things about this decision is it makes the liberals whine.


70 posted on 06/27/2008 6:16:52 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: MES401067
“Yep folks guns are just walking up and down streets shooting people at random its crazy.”

The nyt editorial is drivel. It seems to infer that heretofore law abiding citizens are going to purchase a gun and that eeevil gun is going to make that person go out and commit murder.

71 posted on 06/27/2008 6:17:30 AM PDT by Be_Politically_Erect (If I didn't think he'd get emotionally attached to it, I'd tell O-bigears to kiss my A** !)
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To: WayneS
It would have been a "radical break with precedent" had the Court not found an individual right within the Second Amendment. The Times, in its familiar disingenuous voice complains about how the Court has found a new right that doesn't really exist.

Does Roe v. Wade ring a bell? There was a case where the Supreme Court created a new "right" out of whole cloth, to the applause of the liberal cadre that runs the Times but to the detriment of innocent lives everywhere. In Heller, by contrast the Court simply read the plain language of the Constitution and reported what it obviously meant. Of course, only "right-wingers" would approve of such a methodology.

The bottom line is that the D.C. gun control law (like all others of its kind) did nothing to prevent criminals from committing crimes with guns, and only affected the law-abiding who might have wished to defend themselves. The Times resolutely refuses to even consider this line of reasoning, as well they might, because "reason" is not part of their vocabulary. How else to explain the insistence that "guns" are killing people without reference to the nature and intent of the people behind the trigger?

72 posted on 06/27/2008 6:17:54 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace is Not The Question.)
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To: laotzu
So....we have an amendment which allows our military to carry weapons?!!

I think that was in the decision. It would be absurd to have an amendment that allowed the armed forces to have weapons, so that can't be the meaning of the 2A.

In all the recent commentary about this decision it has been easy to pick out those who have not actually read it.

73 posted on 06/27/2008 6:18:17 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Zakeet

Thanks, Times, I already do have the Supreme Court in mind. And here’s hoping Obama loses.


74 posted on 06/27/2008 6:18:19 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: MES401067

Yes.

Why just this morning during my drive to work my .357 magnum leaped up off the passenger seat next to me and began making threatening moves; all by itself.

It was all I could do to grab it, decock it, and wrestle it back into its holster.

Fortunately, no one was harmed ... THIS time.

But I should probably get rid of that evil thing before someone gets hurt (most likely ME, according to the NYT and the WashPost).


75 posted on 06/27/2008 6:19:47 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: wideawake
what is misleading is not the number in the editorial but the description of the circumstances.

The second-best lie is the truth, twisted.

76 posted on 06/27/2008 6:20:26 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: avacado
The 2nd Amendment is not about service in a militia.

Correct, but not for the reasons you list. The Second Amendment is about the balance of power between the government and the citizens. The Founding Fathers knew that if the government had all the guns, the citizens would have no protection against an abusive and runaway central government.

Also, in the days of our nation's founding, militia's were comprised of citizen soldiers. During times of national emergencies, there would not be time for these citizens to go to a central armory to withdraw a weapon.

77 posted on 06/27/2008 6:21:21 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Zakeet

The Times evidently wants to take away our guns. We will not be safer when we are disarmed. There’s no logic to the Times’ position.


78 posted on 06/27/2008 6:23:37 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: WayneS

Yea your right maybe some gang member or thug might need it.But I would just give them the bullets and keep the gun if I were you lol.


79 posted on 06/27/2008 6:25:23 AM PDT by MES401067
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To: popdonnelly

“There’s no logic to the Times’ position.”

That can be said about MOST of their editorial positions.


80 posted on 06/27/2008 6:26:00 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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