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*LIVE THREAD* DC vs Heller decision due at 10:00 EST (2nd Amendment)
SCOTUS Blog ^ | 6-26-08 | shameless vanity

Posted on 06/26/2008 3:55:39 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Today is the day.

The folks at SCOTUS blog will be providing a live blog to follow developments as quickly as possible.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; bitter; elections; heller; judiciary; scalia; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: Lord_Calvinus
In truth, m’lord, the ruling is about as good as could be expected. I predicted a split decision, which would limit the ruling to the law at issue. I'm happy to say that I was wrong.

No one ever said it would be easy. The history of Roe v. Wade began in 1923 with Margaret Sanger. They got a Supreme Court ruling in 1965 with Griswold v. Connecticut. It took another eight years for Roe v. Wade. Altogether, they were at it for fifty years.

Scalia left a few outs to us shooters, among them the common use statement in Miller, the statement that licensing was not covered by the ruling, and the arbitrary and capricious rule. AR-15s and numerous other semi automatic rifles and pistols are presently in common use. Fenty should be jailed for contempt after his statement that he will not register semi autos. Several states, for instance New Jersey, have arbitrary and capricious policies that beg for a SCOTUS smackdown. I'm willing to bet that some liberal la la land like Chicago will announce that the decision didn't specify them, so they can ignore it. That will make it clear that the power to issue a license is the power to deny it, and return the issue for clarification.

It took almost two hundred years to get to the point where the use of firearms was so easily demonized by stupid politicians and talking heads. Right now we are best served by teaching the antis that this right is retained, and employed, to preserve the sanctity of a free nation. That will rain on Sarah Brady's parade, and maybe even toss a few lightning bolts among the petty tyrants she claims as allies.

901 posted on 06/26/2008 1:30:07 PM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I am utterly dismayed that something so readily apparent…so basic in principle and logic…so fundamental in our basic rights…has so narrow of an affirmation by the highest court in the land. Folks, my apprehensions about the direction of this country have never been more profound. I will take the good news, but I will not feel any ease whatsoever.


902 posted on 06/26/2008 1:34:42 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - T.R.)
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To: raybbr

[BTW, it wasn’t a “grand pronouncement”. It was a guess.]

You are correct. I am wrong and apologise.


903 posted on 06/26/2008 1:35:50 PM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: hadit2here
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

You seemed to have missed part of the reference in the decision that cites that just because you can use an example ... such as ... it in no way serves as a restriction on the referrent.

904 posted on 06/26/2008 1:42:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Beware the fury of the man that cannot find hope or justice.)
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To: The Pack Knight; SE Mom; Bahbah; Fudd Fan; Mo1

God bless constitutional justices.

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Worthy article repost:

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Of course it’s fair that they have guns and you don’t (Chicago)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2033411/posts


905 posted on 06/26/2008 1:53:01 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: RKBA Democrat
I am reely series!

This is HUGH!


906 posted on 06/26/2008 1:59:38 PM PDT by jaz.357 (the best in a war, very dangerous otherwise.)
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To: TeleStraightShooter
*sigh*

that was Bork's seat on the SCOTUS.

Bork was/is an outright statist. I don't exaggerate much when I say that he never met a law passed by a legilature that he didn't like. I've heard him and read his writings, and this is not a pro-gun judge. Frankly, I'm not unhappy that he didn't get to the Court.

907 posted on 06/26/2008 2:08:47 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr

I am reading the majority opinion again, and I think it is a bigger win than we at first thought.

EG, Scalia argues that just as you can not restrict keep, you can not restrict bear (open carry).


908 posted on 06/26/2008 2:10:58 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: houeto
But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right. (Is he saying that because “modern developments” include public acceptance of a machine gun ban, the ban is justified, or is he saying that the principle of the 2nd amendment must be upheld regardless of whether it means we must accept certain weapons?)

"My reading says the latter."

Mine, too. Tell me what happens when technology advances somewhat and the armed forces and police have rayguns - do we have to continue to make due with only glorified pellet guns? By that logic, we should be stuck with late 18th Century muskets (and the Press with nothing but the primitive movable type machines. No TV, no radio, no faxes, no email - nothing would be protected.

909 posted on 06/26/2008 2:13:53 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: tlb

Thank God you WERE wrong...


910 posted on 06/26/2008 2:15:36 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Also, I don’t think that I have ever seen one justice refer to another as “mad as a hatter” before.

Wow.


911 posted on 06/26/2008 2:20:39 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: hadit2here
Already covered multiple times. Scalia's opinion limited itself to the case at hand. In fact, by specifically mentioning these issues, he is inviting future challenges meant to expand on Heller.

For the first time, the USSC has ruled on whether the 2nd Amendment confers an individual right or a collective right. And it did so correctly. This is just the beginning -- the "incorporation" issue is next, as the NRA is already looking for a test case to challenge the Chicago gun laws.

912 posted on 06/26/2008 2:29:26 PM PDT by kevkrom (2-D fantasy artists wanted: http://faxcelestis.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=213)
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To: All

WHERE THE HELL IS ROBERT PAULSON?

(or whatever his screen name is...)


913 posted on 06/26/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: dubie

If they all knew how to read the 2nd amendment, the vote would have been 9 to 0. “The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

Everyone who is eligible to own a gun should buy one and learn how to use it. This would send a clear message to Congressional Democrats and the other crooks.


914 posted on 06/26/2008 2:36:37 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: DBrow
Yeah, they deliberately did not rule on whether a fundamental right can be licensed.

This preserves most state laws.

If a right is fundamental, it cannot be taxed or subjected to the equivalent of a poll tax. Here's a great answer to a question about this issue to some future Court hearing oral arguments: Your Honors, my client views the fee charged to be the equivalent of paying a fee to the govenment in order to purchase a bible, or to attend worship services. They should be a no-go. Would my opponent claim that this provision allows the government to compile lists of churhgoers, to charge them a fee for registering and to make them wait for a permit before they actually attend church. THAT is what gun registration does, and THAT is why this practice should be overturned.

915 posted on 06/26/2008 2:36:58 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
The old way is better. RKBA shall not be infringed. Shall not even be questioned, under PA law.

"Shall not be questioned" is in the PA Constitution.

PA law, however, unquestionably infringes.

916 posted on 06/26/2008 2:42:34 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: takenoprisoner
I found this unsettling: “NEW: Poll finds 67 percent of Americans say Constitution grants right to own gun.”

The poll is worded wrong. The Bill of Rights in the Constitution does NOT grant any rights, it recognizes them as pre-existing. There is a huge difference. Pollsters are ignorant of this fact, in all likelihood.

917 posted on 06/26/2008 2:53:29 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: RKBA Democrat
The Gun Grabbing liberals were all over talk radio on the drive home.

They are "spinning" this defeat as a "victory." Everyone has known how the court was going to rule for weeks now. It was obvious from the questions the justices asked and how they followed up with the attorneys from both sides.

The Left had weeks to practice their spin.

It didn't work. They quickly reverted to bitterness when reminded that citizens are not subjects and they have a right to bear arms.

918 posted on 06/26/2008 3:02:38 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: patton
Also, I don’t think that I have ever seen one justice refer to another as “mad as a hatter” before.

Wow.

Yeah, somehow or other I don't think that Stevens is going to be inviting him over for bourbon and a cigar anytime soon. The conference must've been, uh, quite lively. I wish that in the interest of history it had been videotaped or recorded.

919 posted on 06/26/2008 3:15:47 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: Prole
Bill of Rights. God Given. NOT NEGOTIABLE.

Sure, those rights come from our sovereign Creator. He might decide to take them away — little by little, one at a time or, all at once. Anyone who thinks otherwise need look no further than "private property rights."

920 posted on 06/26/2008 3:20:24 PM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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