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Envisioning a World Without Men
ABC News ^ | 04/28/2008 | Nick Watt

Posted on 04/29/2008 8:04:52 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Imagine a world without men: Lauren Bacall but no Bogie, Hillary Clinton but no Bill, no Starsky or Hutch.

This isn't just an unlikely sci-fi scenario. This could be reality, according to Bryan Sykes, an eminent professor of genetics at Oxford University and author of "Adam's Curse: A Future Without Men."

"The Y chromosome is deteriorating and will, in my belief, disappear," Sykes told me. A world-renowned authority on genetic material, Sykes is called upon to investigate DNA evidence from crime scenes. His team of researchers is currently compiling a DNA family tree for our species.

Y Chromosome 'Fatally Flawed'

The Y chromosome is passed from father to son, it's what makes babies into boys. Basically the human template is a female: the Y chromosome kicks in a few weeks after conception and makes a boy. "Men are genetically modified women," explained Sykes. But unlike other chromosomes, the Y chromosome can't repair itself and will, says Sykes, disappear altogether in about 125,000 years.

"Every generation one percent of men will have a mutation which reduces their fertility by 10 percent," explained Sykes. Unlike most chromosomes, the Y does not travel through the generation in pairs, so can never repair itself from a mirror. Flaws are never repaired. "So if that goes on for generation after generation," Sykes argued, "eventually there are no functioning Y chromosomes left."

So no more men … sparsely populated sports bars, Ferrari would lose the lion's share of its business, and Hooters would probably go out of business.

It's a long time, 125,000 years. But we men have a far more immediate problem: sperm counts have fallen by an incredible 20 percent in the past 50 years. Stress? Alcohol? Environmental pollution? Who knows, but it's deeply concerning for those of us with a vested interest in the survival of the male.

Sykes has received hate mail. "To seem to be saying that men will become extinct, which is what I am saying," he mused. "I've had all kinds of messages from male groups saying, 'how can you betray your gender?'"

But would the absence of men make the world a better place? There would be far fewer wars without men on the planet, and the U.S. prison population would drop a colossal 97 percent. Road deaths in the U.S. would fall 70 percent. The Olympics would be half as long, which some people might view as a good thing.

Female-Only Reproduction

But surely, flawed Y chromosome or not, bad behavior or not, we are needed for procreation. Women can't have babies without us … right? I'm afraid, pretty soon they won't need our sperm, our chromosomes, our anything.

Until now, female-only reproduction has been limited to the plant and animal kingdom. So-called parthenogenesis, observed in the Cape Honey Bee, the Kimono Dragon and the hammerhead shark. In humans: confined to 1950s B movies. But Sykes says the technology for women to procreate without us is just around the corner.

"Within the next few years you will get two women having a child who is the biological child of both of them," Sykes said. "And entirely normal in every respect, but always female."

They've already done it with mice. Two mothers: the genetic material from one used to fertilize the egg of the other.

Two Mommies

The picture that Professor Sykes is painting is of a nuclear family without a man in sight. We went in search of what could be the template for the survival of our species. Laura and Natalie are a lovely couple who live in South London with their 13-month-old daughter Sanne. They agreed to let our all-male crew take a peek into their lives. Natalie actually gave birth to Sanne. The sperm came from an anonymous donor. She's raised by two moms.

"That the child will be well balanced with just two moms: Well, that's been proven back in the 40s," explained Natalie, who is also a child psychologist. "It's the care giving and the relationship between the care-giver and the infant that is the important part."

Laura, who right now is the bread winner, thinks any family will work as long as the child is, "getting the attention, the affection, the discipline." Looking at her very contented daughter, Laura told me, "She's obviously confident. She's very stable and secure. So I think so far we're doing okay."

Laura attended both the dads' and the moms' prenatal classes. I asked Natalie if having Laura as the partner was better than having a man? "I had actually a couple of mothers saying, 'Well, at least Laura's a woman she will understand better.'" Natalie told me. "And I said, 'no.' … She was exactly the same as the dads!"

Could Laura mount a defense? "I would like to think that I separate from the dads in that I'm not hooked on the ball games and things like that," she explained. And I must say, she was knee-deep in diaper changing and feeding time while we were hanging out.

So judging by this family, two moms aren't necessarily better, but can be just as good. But surely they must need a burly man for some things? I offered to put up some shelves, or change some light bulbs. "Actually, Laura is very, very handy," Natalie told me, trying not to hurt my feelings.

"My father's a mechanic, so there's nothing about a car that disturbs me," explained Laura. "I've also … I renovated a house. So, I'm really not concerned about that either."

Maybe our only hope as men is that women decide to keep us alive for their own amusement. For the pop music, perhaps, or maybe the dancing. We can be good at that.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

This hits close to home. I’ve got a wife, two teenage daughters and a female dog. All of my sister in-laws live locally, with all daughters except for 2 nephews who live further away who I rarely see. A family dinner is typically 14 people...11 women and 3 men. I found it quite amusing at Christmas, looking around the family room at my family. About 20 or so woman running around, cackling away and barking out orders to the few husbands and/or boyfriends who were all cowering together in one corner of the room. All five of us. We’ve adopted a very helpful motto...”just shut up and go to work”.


61 posted on 04/29/2008 9:37:13 AM PDT by hiramknight (Freedom isn't free. Ask a marine, soldier, airmen or sailor.)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1
Puhleez. I always take out the trash, mow the lawn, shovel the snow and take care of car maintenance, and so do a lot of freeping dames. Just this week I retiled the kitchen floor, needing help only with the moving of the refrigerator. I abhor shopping.
62 posted on 04/29/2008 9:40:57 AM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Can't imagine a world without men. They're nice to look at and by gosh, I like them..:)

sw

63 posted on 04/29/2008 9:43:11 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: longtermmemmory

It’ll be a crimson tide of destruction.


64 posted on 04/29/2008 9:43:59 AM PDT by dr.zaeus
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To: dr.zaeus

Um, without men there will eventually be no women either. If we go, we are taking you with us.


65 posted on 04/29/2008 9:46:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
But would the absence of men make the world a better place? There would be far fewer wars without men on the planet, and the U.S. prison population would drop a colossal 97 percent. Road deaths in the U.S. would fall 70 percent.

The desire to make war, murder and drive badly is a human characteristic. Take away all men, and it would be women doing the warring and killing.

Oh, and as far as their driving...



I rest my case ;)
66 posted on 04/29/2008 9:51:22 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Average White Conservative)
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To: Hacklehead
"Nonsense. Back-mutation is a form of repair and selection will naturally ensure that the fertile males who reproduce will pass on the functioning Y chromosome."

Got it in one. The "Y chromosome" has been around a LONG, LONG time, far predating humanity. I doubt that it'll disappear any time soon.

67 posted on 04/29/2008 9:55:44 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
So-called parthenogenesis, observed in the Cape Honey Bee, the Kimono Dragon and the hammerhead shark. In humans: confined to 1950s B movies.

"Kimono Dragon"? I know of the Kumodo Dragon, but I don't know about the kimono kind...

Unless this is an ad for a new "Geishas Gone Wild" video! ;-P

68 posted on 04/29/2008 9:57:54 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: MortMan

Sly reference to “Y: The Last Man”?


69 posted on 04/29/2008 10:08:22 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

This professor is an educated fool.

So typical of the shallow thinking that attends evolutionary dogma.


70 posted on 04/29/2008 10:13:44 AM PDT by Elpasser
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To: All

Woman to man: “I wouldn’t go out with you if you were the last mas on earth!”

Man to woman:”If I was the last man on earth I wouldn’t let you get in line.”


71 posted on 04/29/2008 10:14:32 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (I miss Ronnie!!!!!)
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To: grellis
I always take out the trash, mow the lawn, shovel the snow and take care of car maintenance, and so do a lot of freeping dames. Just this week I retiled the kitchen floor, needing help only with the moving of the refrigerator. I abhor shopping.

Will you marry me?

72 posted on 04/29/2008 10:18:58 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Smart women have already got men figured out. LOL

Truth About Men

73 posted on 04/29/2008 10:20:26 AM PDT by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Tallguy
"...No Men in 125,000 years, huh? I wonder if Hillary can remain politically viable that long?"

Heck, her pant suit has lasted that long, why can't she?

74 posted on 04/29/2008 10:36:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Not to worry. China and India will supply the world with all the surplus males it needs, thanks to gender-selective abortion.


75 posted on 04/29/2008 10:42:39 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: WVNan
The entire point of "needing" men is irrelevant. Actually, men are needed for just about everything civilization requires, given that they invented it, but that's irrelevant. The point is they have a right to exist apart from any question of "necessity". Is art "necessary"? Is life? There is no necessity for any of it, it all exists anyway - valuable because man is the standard of value.
76 posted on 04/29/2008 10:43:04 AM PDT by CanadianLibertarian
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To: Elpasser

The professor is trying to compete with “publish or perish” dollars against the feminst studies department in an ivory tower that is more obsessed with sexual politics than with real education.

This tripe is what remains of “higher learning”.


77 posted on 04/29/2008 10:46:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SamuraiScot

that one percent could also be described as having a BEHAVIOR which does not result in offspring.

now what could 1% be doing sexually which does not result in offsprint...(obvious sarcasm off)


78 posted on 04/29/2008 10:52:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: WVNan
All of the things I see listed for which we "need" men have not convinced me.

I put a smile in my post - I was having a little fun with S&A's post.

...do not talk endlessly about the color of their latest bargain shirt, or the lastest recipe for a low-calorie salad. Give me the adventure of life, not the security.

I've never been remotely interested in stuff like that or in watching silly things like strangers' weddings on the Lifetime Channel. (I actually had a couple of coworkers in the 90s who would gush about things like that.)

Give me the adventure of life, not the security.

Those who know me well know I have no need to comment on that.

I love real men. Only stupid liberals like the idiots in this article think our society could function without them.

79 posted on 04/29/2008 11:24:02 AM PDT by Allegra (Tehran delenda est)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

A world without men? “Oprah”, “The View”, and Lifetime Network—for as long as the electricity lasts.


80 posted on 04/29/2008 11:37:09 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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